Bill still wont admit the truth

revel-lets not try to redefine history.
Clinton lied under oath in four occassions
1 in 1997 he lied under oath in written answers to a fed court

2In 1997 he lied under oath in the paula Jones deposition

3 In 1998 he lied under oath to a fed grand jury

4 In 1998 he lied under oath to a congressional committee

Im a dissapointed Dem whho voted for Clinton twice. his failure to come clean about his personal shortcomings have flawed a good administartions legacy. Lets not make the facts go away by saying they werent so.

his time is past, lets get busy at removing the present sphincter from office.

Anybody on these boards who claims they have never lied is a liar.

unless one says"I dont recall', then theyre a lawyer

ok, back this up; please; bearing in mind that his answer was factual true but misleading.

>jumping up and down <

I never lied! I never lied! .. well, never lied to MYSELF. hehehe

any way, silly joke aside, Why does anyone give a rats ass about what is going on UNDER the white house table and not what is going on over it?
So f'n what , a man gets a blow job while he is at work.. BIG WHOOP.
he still went to work, he still did his job.. and frankly, the only person he really f..ked was his wife. She is the one who has to deal with a huband who is cheating. SHE is the one who was betrayed. Not america. America isnt married to him, america doesnt sleep with him, america doesnt have his child. WHO CARES????????!!!!!!!
He is out of office, he has no more political pull then the rest of the former presidents so why does his sex life matter?
Yeah he lied at first... DUH who wouldnt? Espically if your wife/husband was a few feet away from you? Most people wouldnt tell anyone publicly before they told thier spouse... kinda what he did.
He is a human... he is a man.. and he was horny.
If he had her in his bed with hillary would THAT make a diffrence? Would everyone crawl up his butt then??? HHHMmmm.....
Who he has sex with is noones business. He didnt do any harm to the country or anyone else for that matter while she spent her internship on her knees.
who
cares
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> closing my big liberal mouth now <

hehehe

Yep - he lied.

And now what are we all going to do?

well yeah he lied but he was sincere.

We all appear sincere when lying about sex....

I know I do

Yeppers:

"It's not you, it's me."

"Of course I don't love my dildo more than you, darling!"

"There's nobody else, I just need some space."

"Yes, I DID come."

So err, what do all you people think of the case of Jack Ryan, the Illinois Senate candidate for the Republicans?

Tell me more.

He was married to an actress, apparently cajoled her into going to a sex club with him, tried cajoling her into having sex with him in public there.

Wife brought that up during the divorce proceedings. Papers of the proceedings were sealed.

Then Ryan ran for the Senate candidacy. He promised his Republican colleagues and voters that, though he insisted on the papers remaining sealed 'in the interest of his [9?-year old] son', there was nothing embarassing in there, so no need for worry.

Now, of course, the papers have become unsealed, and the Chicago media have jumped on the case. They slapped "sex scandal" headlines on the frontpages, but in editorials insisted that though of course Ryan's private sex life was noone's business, the fact that he lied about it in the campaign made it into a problem.

Ryan's party is for now still supporting him, though a number of allies has been retreating.

I don't think the activities, or the lies, cast a good light on Clinton, NIMH.

My thing is that I find delving into politician's personal lives - unless they have real relevance to how they do their job, is unwarranted.

Rape, for instance, is a crime. If Clinton is convicted of rape, he is a criminal, and not allowed to be in office.

Similarly for fraud etc.

I find the penchant in American politics (as I see it) for having extremely high expectations that politicians embrace what appear to me to be conservative christian "family values" and such place a ridiculous burden of behaviour on mere mortals, and positively foster a horrible hypocrisy, which I believe is very damaging in itself to people, and even the political process.

Eg - who the hell is gonna put themselves up for the kind of scrutiny that is involved for appointment to high office?????

I think Clinton is a flawed man - (here's a clue - I also think I am a very flawed woman) - the issue for me is did his PERSONAL flaws affect his presidency? That is, in and of themselves - the Starr chamber stuff would have to have affected it, to some extent.

I also have a real flesh crawling reaction to the kind of gossip that people salivate about in relation to Clinton (an unsavoury fascination which continues) - the spectacle of a person being forced to discuss his sexual behaviour for the delectation of the slavering masses was absolutely disgusting to me.

Yep - he shouldn't have had a sexual dalliance with an intern. However - they were ADULTS - CONSENTING adults. End of story, for me. I may not like it - but did his sex life affect his work? Was it criminal? (If it was proven to be so, out he would have gone)

Same deal for me, Nimh.

Consenting adults.

Tried to cajole.

Didn't force.

I don't give a fabulous flying.....

Again, in my view, we have the culture of hypocrisy creating a situation where a polly feels he must lie, or kiss his career bye-bye.

Who had a right to be ASKING????? Was there an allegation that he had committed an act dis-qualifying him from holding office?

Was he attempting to have sex banned? Was he attempting to use a falsely avowed sexual morality to condemn someone else?

And, Jesus H!!! What ABOUT the interests of the 9 year old!!!????

Well done. Fabulous.

Now the kid gets to live with the publicity about that.

I wanna be sick.

That's Jeri Ryan, 'Seven-of-Nine'.

Perhaps the hubbie will get 7 to 9?

I think if we can get Bush to admit that he lied about WMD's Clinton should be required to admit to lieing!

Clinton has admitted to lying or telling falsehoods but being an attorney, he did not admit to purjury. The bar and the cabal of judges and attorneys will still, in the end, protect one another. Perhaps Clinton should have been disbarred but we are a country run by lawyers. Did anyone realistically expect anything else?