Patches
 
  1  
Fri 15 May, 2015 12:13 pm
@neologist,
Quote:
True.
Who side are you on?
Patches
 
  1  
Fri 15 May, 2015 12:15 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Belief that there are no gods...

...is still "belief."

Just "belief" in the opposite direction from the "belief" of theists.
Don't be a foolish loser, Frank.
Patches
 
  1  
Fri 15 May, 2015 12:21 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Are there really that many stupid people in the world? If you're right the human race is doomed.
I believe that if you do not believe in God's Son Jesus as your Lord and Savior, you are doomed to the miserable human condition of being without God in the afterlife for all of eternity.

It is hell to be without God in the afterlife. - Patches
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Patches
 
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Fri 15 May, 2015 12:25 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
People make all sorts of statements...and have here in this thread.

If you do not like to hear the truth, Izzy...just ignore it.

And if the truth seems dull...perhaps it is actually a truth that hurts for some reason.

Bottom line: Most atheists seem to do as much "believing" as theists...except in the other direction.
Enough with the rhetoric. You both are wrong. God and His Son Jesus are real.
neologist
 
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Fri 15 May, 2015 12:47 pm
@Patches,
Read my sig line.
Your description of God is of one who is cruel
neologist
 
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Fri 15 May, 2015 12:49 pm
@Patches,
Patches wrote:
Our God is not cruel. He sent His Son to suffer in our place for our sins so that we may not suffer for all of eternity without Him.
The idea that God would allow any of his creations to suffer for all eternity is a God dishonoring doctrine. Even Satan will meet his end.
Or didn't your 'spirit' tell you that?
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Fri 15 May, 2015 01:22 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

Is it possible you are self deluded, Frank?
No confirmation bias?
None?

snicker


Is there a GOD, Neo?

(Any answer other than "I do not know...and cannot make a meaningful guess using the evidence available"...is pure fantasy.)

So...once again, Neo...

...is there a GOD?

Oh...snicker back atcha.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Fri 15 May, 2015 01:24 pm
@Patches,
Patches wrote:

Quote:
Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man.―Thomas Paine
Our God is not cruel. He sent His Son to suffer in our place for our sins so that we may not suffer for all of eternity without Him.


Not cruel?????

The GOD says it is willing to "forgive you"...but first you must torture and kill his son...

...and you say your GOD is not cruel?

Ya gotta be kidding.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Fri 15 May, 2015 01:25 pm
@Patches,
Nothing foolish about me, Patches.

What do you see wrong with the statement:

Quote:
Belief that there are no gods...

...is still "belief."

Just "belief" in the opposite direction from the "belief" of theists.
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neologist
 
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Fri 15 May, 2015 01:27 pm
@Frank Apisa,
I would suggest your assertion of "do not know" is fertile ground for confirmation bias as it relieves you of possible obligation. Has it taken root in your psyche, Frank?
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Fri 15 May, 2015 01:41 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

I would suggest your assertion of "do not know" is fertile ground for confirmation bias as it relieves you of possible obligation.


I would laugh at your suggestion, Neo.

I assert "I do not know"...BECAUSE I honestly do not know.

You almost certainly do not know either...but you are unwilling, for one reason or another, to acknowledge it.

Some people just can't...which is why I said what I did about many theists and atheists.


Quote:
Has it taken root in your psyche, Frank?


The fact that I do not know if there are gods or not...has taken root, Neo.

You ought to plant the thought for yourself. It is a crop you need.
izzythepush
 
  1  
Fri 15 May, 2015 01:49 pm
@Frank Apisa,
So no answers just a bit of cheap rhetoric, so much for originality.


At this point you usually sashay into a golfing anecdote.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Fri 15 May, 2015 01:54 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:

So no answers just a bit of cheap rhetoric, so much for originality.


At this point you usually sashay into a golfing anecdote.


Not sure why you want to start this, Izzy...but I do not put out cheap rhetoric.

You seem to do it often...and are doing it right now.

No golf anecdote right now.

I'll save it for later.

And I almost never sashay.

Do you?
izzythepush
 
  1  
Fri 15 May, 2015 01:55 pm
@Patches,
You're about as wrong as it's possible to be. I think the man who said love thy neighbour as thyself, would be quite said to see someone who professed a belief in him taking sadistic pleasure in the thought of those who disagree with the Gospel according to Patches suffering agony for all eternity.

Just saying
izzythepush
 
  1  
Fri 15 May, 2015 01:58 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
Not sure why you want to start this, Izzy...but I do not put out cheap rhetoric.


Yes you did, repetition and rule of 3, that's the first thing one learns about rhetoric.

Quote:
I think Patches' NOTIONS are absurdly self-serving, Izzy.

I think the NOTIONS of just about every theist posting in this thread...are absurdly self-serving.

I think the NOTIONS of just about every atheist posting in this thread...are absurdly self-serving.


I think that's what they call a textbook example.
neologist
 
  1  
Fri 15 May, 2015 02:00 pm
@Frank Apisa,
I admit to confirmation bias, Frank
I examine my beliefs and works often to be sure I am not being led by desire for license or reward.
And I realize I could be wrong.

I'm a naive realist, Frank. You know that.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Fri 15 May, 2015 02:02 pm
@izzythepush,
No I do not put out cheap rhetoric, Izzy.

But you are in a crabby mood...and will probably insist that I do.

So I will just laugh at you...and enjoy the fact that you allow me to upset you this way.

You do not upset me...you entertain me.
Frank Apisa
 
  1  
Fri 15 May, 2015 02:04 pm
@neologist,
You also are a guy who does not answer an appropriate question when put to you.

Why don't you answer that question I asked?

Is there a GOD?
izzythepush
 
  1  
Fri 15 May, 2015 02:18 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Whenever someone disagrees with you, you always accuse them of being in a bad mood. So much for originality

Now you're in denial, I've shown your use of rhetoric but you'd rather claim black is white.

Are you now saying rule of 3 and repetition aren't rhetorical devices?
neologist
 
  1  
Fri 15 May, 2015 02:22 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
Is there a GOD?
Of course, Frank.
And I have valid reasons for belief, all of which you have so far discounted.
 

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