FBM
 
  1  
Fri 24 Apr, 2015 09:29 am
@Patches,
Patches wrote:

Quote:
Why did your god set up a system to punish?
For people like you. Laughing Don't be foolish...seek salvation through Christ.


Well, damn. Guess who made me (by your own thought system)? Your god. Your god fucked up, then wants to punish its creation. That's like having a child, then torturing it for being less powerful than its dad. Your god has superhuman powers, then uses them to hide from us lesser creations, then punishes us because it failed to make us equal to the challenge. What a self-aggrandizing fuckwad. If it were real, it'd be jailed for child abuse. And rightfully so. The best news here is that you have no evidence that such a being really exists. What a relief.
neologist
 
  1  
Fri 24 Apr, 2015 09:38 am
@FBM,
Maybe Patches can learn something from this as your post is loaded with straw men
FBM wrote:
Right. Intelligence is the enemy of faith-based myths.

Why did your god set up a system to punish his own faulty creations with eternal hellfire and brimstone?
There is no scriptural evidence to support infinite punishment for finite sin. The concept of an immortal soul is an extension of the lie Satan told Eve at Genesis 3:4. In fact, the bible makes it clear that when you're dead, you're dead. See Ecclesiastes 9:5
Quote:
It should consider first punishing itself for having failed to create perfect beings.
We were indeed created with both moral and physical perfection, but with free will. The Edenic rebels chose to sin.
Quote:
Was that not within its omnisicient powers?
Within God's power, assuming he wished us to be his puppets.
Quote:
Not seeing much to worship here...sounds like a real wanker. You can do better.
As could you.
FBM
 
  1  
Fri 24 Apr, 2015 09:46 am
@neologist,
And again, you resort to scripture, which is the claim, not the evidence. I only resort to quoting scripture to show its inconsistencies, not its veracity. Shall we have a look at what the Church of Latter Day Saints propounds? You really want to go there?
Patches
 
  1  
Fri 24 Apr, 2015 09:47 am
@FBM,
God's desires for people are to turn to His Son and be Saved. God has already revealed Himself to mankind. All you have to do is believe and change your ways. This is not too much to ask.

The photo is really of the Holy Spirit in bodily form. I speak the truth. I am not lying.
neologist
 
  1  
Fri 24 Apr, 2015 09:48 am
@FBM,
It appears the god Patches worships is the same god who lied to Eve.
Please do not judge the true God by the prevaications of his enemy.

Your posts indicate that you understand the meaning of the words 'principled love', unselfish love, or according to the Greek, agape. The God I am proclaiming to you is the God who gave you this quality, along with those of justice and wisdom. Use your wisdom
FBM
 
  1  
Fri 24 Apr, 2015 09:50 am
@Patches,
Patches wrote:

God's desires for people are to turn to His Son and be Saved. God has already revealed Himself to mankind. All you have to do is believe and change your ways. This is not too much to ask.

I have truly provided evidence of God's presence here on earth through His Holy Spirit. The photo is really of the Holy Spirit in bodily form. I speak the truth.


Your god apparently wants the majority of humankind to suffer in eternal torture. If not, then it's a pretty incompetent god, because according to your own scripture, that's the inevitable end to the vast majority of his creations.
Patches
 
  1  
Fri 24 Apr, 2015 09:51 am
@neologist,
Quote:
It appears the god Patches worships is the same god who lied to Eve.
Please do not judge the true God by the prevaications of his enemy.
Why do you speak against your brother?
FBM
 
  1  
Fri 24 Apr, 2015 09:55 am
@Patches,
Patches wrote:

Quote:
It appears the god Patches worships is the same god who lied to Eve.
Please do not judge the true God by the prevaications of his enemy.
Why do you speak against your brother?


Because your faith-based, evidence-free myths contradict each other. Derp.
Patches
 
  1  
Fri 24 Apr, 2015 09:56 am
@FBM,
Quote:
Your god apparently wants the majority of humankind to suffer in eternal torture.
This not true. Jesus wants us to spread the good news of salvation throughout the world. The inevitable end of the majority of mankind is just the way it will be on account of sin and lack of faith. You can find shelter in Christ.
neologist
 
  1  
Fri 24 Apr, 2015 09:56 am
@FBM,
FBM wrote:
And again, you resort to scripture, which is the claim, not the evidence. I only resort to quoting scripture to show its inconsistencies, not its veracity.
The straw men were derived from mis application of scripture. The best way to burn them is with scripture. BTW, there is not a single inconsistency of scripture I have yet to debunk at some time during my stay on these fora.
neologist
 
  1  
Fri 24 Apr, 2015 10:00 am
@FBM,
This is what I get for trying to follow on a cell phone.
Back later.
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FBM
 
  1  
Fri 24 Apr, 2015 10:00 am
@Patches,
Patches wrote:

Quote:
Your god apparently wants the majority of humankind to suffer in eternal torture.
This not true. Jesus wants us to spread the good news of salvation throughout the world. The inevitable end of the majority of mankind is just the way it will be on account of sin and lack of faith. You can find shelter in Christ.


So what's with all the hell stuff? Your fave god is responsible for that. Eternal hellfire and brimstone for a few decades of living as a flawed creation? Nice work. An office temp with a bad attitude could come up with a more equitable system. Your god is a child abuser and wife beater. Or it would be if it really existed. Speaking of which, have you found any real, genuine evidence for it yet? Something that can't be photoshopped in 15 minutes? Laughing
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FBM
 
  1  
Fri 24 Apr, 2015 10:04 am
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

FBM wrote:
And again, you resort to scripture, which is the claim, not the evidence. I only resort to quoting scripture to show its inconsistencies, not its veracity.
The straw men were derived from mis application of scripture. The best way to burn them is with scripture. BTW, there is not a single inconsistency of scripture I have yet to debunk at some time during my stay on these fora.


Patches, you might want to look at this before you call neo your brother:

Patches
 
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Fri 24 Apr, 2015 10:08 am
Jesus, Take The Wheel

izzythepush
 
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Fri 24 Apr, 2015 10:14 am
@Patches,
It's true, the Devil does have the best tunes.
Patches
 
  1  
Fri 24 Apr, 2015 10:50 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
It's true, the Devil does have the best tunes.
I disagree.
Smileyrius
 
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Fri 24 Apr, 2015 02:02 pm
@FBM,
Keep in mind my friend, that I am no scholar.

"the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels" is a line of scripture that is often used to support the torment theology of the Catholic church.
That said, using logic (yeah I know, it sounds silly when we use the word) look at the story of Shadrach, Meshac and Abednego, the 3 young Hebrews thrown into the fire in Babylon, you will find the story tells of a fourth member, an angel that was in there with them protecting them. Angels are not harmed by a literal flame, if they were, Id advise Atheists to have a flame thrower on hand in case Armageddon comes. You'd be safe as houses.

Rather, fire was used by Jesus to represent destruction, he often spoke of Gehenna (rendered in most modern translations as "Hell"), the fiery valley that was outside the walls of Jerusalem. If a dead person was not deemed of a proper burial, for instance a murderer, they were tossed into Gehenna and consumed by the flame. you can see how a progressive tale may arise as to the teaching of fire and brimstone.

The lake of fire and sulphur is an interesting one, The devil, death and hades, and those deemed "wicked" will all be tossed into it (Revelation 19-21). You cannot toss death into a literal place, that would require death to be a physical thing. So it makes more sense that the fire was symbolic. Fire, as Jesus had used it, represents destruction. so by preparing the eternal fire for the devil, the wicked and death, I'd hazard a guess that Gods plan is to devote them to destruction, and not torment.

It is possible that I am wrong, I most certainly have been before.
argome321
 
  1  
Fri 24 Apr, 2015 02:08 pm
@Patches,
Is getting hit from falling bird poop considered a sign from god?
izzythepush
 
  1  
Fri 24 Apr, 2015 02:29 pm
@Patches,
We've seen your taste in music. Rolling Stone put this at 32 in the 500 greatest songs of all time.

neologist
 
  1  
Fri 24 Apr, 2015 03:41 pm
@FBM,
If you've followed me for any time, you would know I detest off site links, images and videos. So I hope you are at least somewhat impressed that I visited this one.
Verdict?
Very insightful. I'd say at least 90% correct. 2 details in particular:
Jesus, in his prehuman existence, had no need of a sword as all creation was perfect and, by their free will, in full accord with Jehovah's purpose and standards. The need for a sword is stiil future.

Most of those destroyed in the events of Revelation will be man against fellow man. The video depicts those seemingly innocent. So, it is well to keep in mind Jesus' promise of a resurrection at John 5:28,29. Read it for yourself and see if it excludes any who die in ignorance. In fact, the number included must be well into the billions. An amount not for either you or I to judge.

BTW, Jesus' prehuman existence is well recorded in Proverbs, chapter 8, a reading well ignored by those of the trinity persuasion.
 

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