Patches
 
  1  
Thu 23 Apr, 2015 09:29 pm
@FBM,
Not believing in Christ leads to the soul perishing for all of eternity. This is a consequence of not having faith.
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FBM
 
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Thu 23 Apr, 2015 09:31 pm
@Patches,
Sounds like Stockholm syndrome to me. You can't sugar-coat the threat of eternal torture. It's built into the system. Obey or suffer for eternity. Nice god you got there. Not much different from all the other gods.
Patches
 
  1  
Thu 23 Apr, 2015 09:31 pm
@Ionus,
You failed to answer my question. Do you think it wise not to believe in God?
FBM
 
  1  
Thu 23 Apr, 2015 09:36 pm
Faith encourages institutionalized child abuse.

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Ionus
 
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Thu 23 Apr, 2015 09:40 pm
@Patches,
Quote:
You failed to answer my question. Do you think it wise not to believe in God?
You answered a question with a question . Do you have something to hide ?
Patches
 
  1  
Thu 23 Apr, 2015 09:42 pm
@FBM,
Your not very nice speaking lies about Him. Thinking that you are something and He is not. But he still loves you. And all you have to do is turn to Him and ask for forgiveness. It is God's will to deliver people from evil through His Son.
Patches
 
  1  
Thu 23 Apr, 2015 09:44 pm
@Ionus,
Quote:
You answered a question with a question . Do you have something to hide ?
I think that you and I both know that it is foolish not to believe in God.
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FBM
 
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Thu 23 Apr, 2015 09:53 pm
@Patches,
Patches wrote:

Your not very nice speaking lies about Him. Thinking that you are something and He is not. But he still loves you. And all you have to do is turn to Him and ask for forgiveness. It is God's will to deliver people from evil through His Son.


Do you not believe in hell? Where is the lie? Did you not say that I would go to hell for disbelief? Who allegedly made the system where that would happen?

Patches
 
  1  
Thu 23 Apr, 2015 09:54 pm
With God, we have restoration of the soul, family, love and happiness in the afterlife.
FBM
 
  1  
Thu 23 Apr, 2015 09:56 pm
@Patches,
You're dodging the question with mindless, non sequitur rhetoric. Do you believe in hell?
Patches
 
  1  
Thu 23 Apr, 2015 09:56 pm
@FBM,
Quote:
Do you not believe in hell? Where is the lie? Did you not say that I would go to hell for disbelief? Who allegedly made the system where that would happen?
It is the way it is. And there is nothing that you can do about it once your body dies.
FBM
 
  1  
Thu 23 Apr, 2015 09:58 pm
@Patches,
Patches wrote:

Quote:
Do you not believe in hell? Where is the lie? Did you not say that I would go to hell for disbelief? Who allegedly made the system where that would happen?
It is the way it is. And there is nothing that you can do about it once your body dies.


And exactly how does this hell demonstrate that your god is a loving, compassionate, forgiving one?
Patches
 
  1  
Thu 23 Apr, 2015 10:00 pm
@FBM,
Hell was mentioned early on in scripture, in Genesis, as a spiritual death. The spirit is in ruins and would have been better off had it not been born nor created without God.
Patches
 
  1  
Thu 23 Apr, 2015 10:01 pm
@FBM,
He is saving us through faith in His Son, Jesus Christ. We need God's love.
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FBM
 
  1  
Thu 23 Apr, 2015 10:03 pm
@Patches,
Patches wrote:

Hell was mentioned early on in scripture, in Genesis, as a spiritual death. The spirit is in ruins and would have been better off had it not been born nor created without God.


Please find me the reference to hell in Genesis. I can't find it.

Please don't dodge the question. How can a compassionate, loving and forgiving god also create a system in which the majority of all humans burn in eternal torment for all eternity?
neologist
 
  1  
Thu 23 Apr, 2015 10:16 pm
@Patches,
Patches wrote:
Hell was mentioned early on in scripture, in Genesis, as a spiritual death. The spirit is in ruins and would have been better off had it not been born nor created without God.
Really?!
Would you be so kind as to provide the citation?

(Edit)
Oh! I see I am not alone in asking
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neologist
 
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Thu 23 Apr, 2015 10:24 pm
@Patches,
Patches wrote:
You are knocking on the wrong door. I have already chosen my Church. Let it be.
I post on this thread for the sake of others.
Patches
 
  1  
Thu 23 Apr, 2015 10:25 pm
@FBM,
Quote:
Please find me the reference to hell in Genesis. I can't find it.
Here hell is mentioned for the first time in the bible and is referred to as death. Meaning a spiritual death.

Genesis 2:17. but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall die.

Quote:
How can a compassionate, loving and forgiving god also create a system in which the majority of all humans burn in eternal torment for all eternity?
He did not create hell. Hell is primarily the state or condition of being without Him. He has made plans for us not to be in hell. The work has already been done.

Also, there are a few places known as hell in the bible, such as Sheol and Hades.
Patches
 
  1  
Thu 23 Apr, 2015 10:27 pm
@neologist,
Quote:
I post on this thread for the sake of others.
It is Jesus that they need. Point to Him.
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FBM
 
  1  
Thu 23 Apr, 2015 10:39 pm
@Patches,
Patches wrote:

Quote:
Please find me the reference to hell in Genesis. I can't find it.
Here hell is mentioned for the first time in the bible and is referred to as death. Meaning a spiritual death.

Genesis 2:17. but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall die.


I don't see hell mentioned there. You're hedging.

Quote:
Quote:
How can a compassionate, loving and forgiving god also create a system in which the majority of all humans burn in eternal torment for all eternity?
He did not create hell. Hell is primarily the state or condition of being without Him. He has made plans for us not to be in hell. The work has already been done.

Also, there are a few places known as hell in the bible, such as Sheol and Hades.


So, your god isn't the creator of everything seen and unseen? It doesn't have the power to change the way things are?

Quote:
16 For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.


http://www.gotquestions.org/did-God-create-hell.html#ixzz3YCMXNLf5

You also even contradict yourself. First you say that hell isn't a place, then you say your scripture says it's a place. Which is it? Would your priest agree with what you're saying? Most priests I've known are able to speak and write logically, without self-contradiction.
 

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