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get this woman out of my view/politics

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2015 12:32 am
@hawkeye10,
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They shrug off questions about Hillary Rodham Clinton’s email habits. They roll with the attacks on her family’s foundation, the big checks from foreign governments, the torpid response of her not-yet-campaign.

They have little choice: As Mrs. Clinton prepares to begin her second presidential campaign amid a froth of criticism and outrage, Democrats are not just Ready for Hillary — as supporters named one pro-Clinton “super PAC” — they are desperate for her.

Congressional Democrats are counting on a strong Clinton campaign to help lift them back into the majority. Party leaders at all levels want her fund-raising help and demographic appeal. And from the top of the party to its grass roots, Mrs. Clinton’s pseudo-incumbency is papering over significant disadvantages: a weak bench, a long-term House minority and a white middle class defecting to the Republican Party faster than the Democrats’ hoped-for demographic future is expected to arrive.

Mrs. Clinton, many Democrats say, is simply too big to fail.

“There is no one else — she’s the whole plan,” said Sarah Kovner, a leading Democratic donor and fund-raiser in New York.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/12/us/politics/democrats-see-a-field-of-one-heading-to-2016.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

Then it is over before it even starts.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2015 01:02 am
@hawkeye10,
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Clinton’s strategy, however, relies on cooperation from the press to lose interest in the story and leave Republicans as the sole inquisitors.

There was little evidence of that Wednesday, however. Clinton’s press conference landed the front page of every major national newspaper in the country and dominated cable news and social media chatter. The coveraged – including msnbc – focused on questions Clinton did not answer. And the generally staid AP announced it would sue the State Department to gain access to Clinton’s emails.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/where-does-hillary-clinton-email-controversy-go-here

Hillary is an idiot...there is no chance of this happening because journalists have huge problems of their own, they desperately need to enhance their credibility with the people, and exposing the D's presidential choice is just the ticket. OK, it would be better if it was an R, but you take what you can get. The Professor dismissing the press corps during his reign has got the journalists feisty, and they will be on Hillary's ass till she quits.

WTF is it with the D's? They cant seem to calculate correctly to save their lives.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2015 05:51 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
If she should be playing any card, it should be the "Republicans hate government...and have absolutely no idea of how to govern...so they should stay the hell out of the way rather than being the obstructionists they are being"...CARD.

I dont think " the other guy sucks worse than me" is going to go very far this time around. And besides, the R's are likely going to come with " Conservatism did not fail, it was never tried, so lets give it a chance". And they will come with somebody who has barely ever set foot in Washington, like Walker. Any unhappiness with Congressional R's will not matter, because the R nominee will come back with "I dont think much of them either, but I will lead them to a better place".

I am not shocked that D's at the moment seem to not understand just how unlikely to get the POTUS chair they are.


I never tout the "lesser of two evils" nonsense. Frankly, I think both sids are trying their best. But anyone trying to govern the American people has his/her hands very, very full, because we simply do not want to be governed.

A reasonable society, however, requires that the people be governed, Hawk.

I repeat what I said earlier: "Republicans hate government...and have absolutely no idea of how to govern...so they should stay the hell out of the way rather than being the obstructionists they are being".
Miller
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2015 06:35 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

She was humiliated by Obama...


No one could ever humilate Mrs. Clinton, least of all Barry Obama.

You're a fool is you think, Mrs Clinton cares what Obama, or any of the Obama clan thinks about her. As far as she's concerned, they're nothing.

I voted for Mrs Clinton, when she ran against Obama in Massachusetts( where she beat Obama!) and if she runs for President, I'll again vote for her.

Go get 'em, Hilary!!
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2015 06:36 am
@Frank Apisa,
That Lincoln, what a crappy leader he was, right Frank? Teddy Roosevelt? The worse, I mean except Eisenhower. That guy was really bad. Then Reagan, my god the stink he left! Ugh, yeah, those Republicans just have no idea how to govern. Rolling Eyes Drunk
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2015 07:06 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

That Lincoln, what a crappy leader he was, right Frank? Teddy Roosevelt? The worse, I mean except Eisenhower.


Lincoln, TR, and Eisenhower were excellent leaders. They would not piss on what passes for the Republican Party today if it were on fire.


Quote:
Then Reagan, my god the stink he left! Ugh...


Well, we can certainly agree there. Reagan was one of the worst presidents ever, in my opinion...a happy, positive guy...but a guy who finally sold the Republicans the notion that government was the enemy.

He was a failure...and he will probably be judged by future historians to be in the bottom quarter of the presidents.

But I am delighted, McG...that we have this area of agreement, even if there is the possibility that you are being factitious.
Wink

Quote:
... yeah, those Republicans just have no idea how to govern. Rolling Eyes Drunk


Wow...two areas of agreement between us. Whoda thunk it!
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2015 07:41 am
@Frank Apisa,
A new nbc/wsj poll has 90% of the american people saying that the washington crowd would rather play their political games than govern, and the majority blame D's and R's equally.

But we still need to elect a president.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2015 10:54 am
@hawkeye10,
Okay...Hawk. In about a year and a half...we will get that opportunity.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2015 12:42 pm
@Frank Apisa,
And chances are it will be an R who runs on an anti washington agenda ala Reagan. I hope you can live with that. Whites are fleeing the D's, and the plan to counter that with feminist dogma is not going to cut it.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2015 12:54 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

And chances are it will be an R who runs on an anti washington agenda ala Reagan. I hope you can live with that. Whites are fleeing the D's, and the plan to counter that with feminist dogma is not going to cut it.


I am a registered Independent...but I think the Dems are more likely to protect and expand programs I think any civilized nation should have. I think the Republicans will attempt to damage those same programs...so obviously I am hoping the Dems will win.

I can live with whatever happens. I survived Ronald Reagan...and George W. Bush!

Hope you are wrong, Hawk.

We'll see.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2015 01:12 pm
@Frank Apisa,
I registered independent when I moved to New Mexico, but then the light dawned that I couldn't vote in Dem primaries, which are important to me. In reality, I am more lefto than most of todays Democrats, or so it seems; thus, explaining part of my ongoing griping about Hillary Clinton
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2015 01:50 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:

I registered independent when I moved to New Mexico, but then the light dawned that I couldn't vote in Dem primaries, which are important to me. In reality, I am more lefto than most of todays Democrats, or so it seems; thus, explaining part of my ongoing griping about Hillary Clinton


I understand completely, Ossobuco. In my case I was a Dem...and decided that Independent was more honest.

I definitely champion a very progressive agenda...which I think is the least a country with our wealth should have.

The Dems can get under my skin also...but the Republicans have gone bat-**** crazy...and I will oppose their party with everything I have.

My friends are ALL conservatives...but even some of them see the Republican Party as a political party gone nuts.

Hillary is going to irk the crap out of many people. But she will be a better choice than ANYONE the Republicans are proposing...BY FAR.

I have my issues with her, but I will hold my tongue rather than do anything that might help the abomination that has become the Republican Party.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2015 02:12 pm
@Frank Apisa,
The problem with the current progressive label is that it assumes "champion of victim culture". Hostility to victim culture would be the true progressive stance, as victim culture is the mainline culture, and has been for 50 years.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2015 02:17 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

The problem with the current progressive label is that it assumes "champion of victim culture". Hostility to victim culture would be the true progressive stance, as victim culture is the mainline culture, and has been for 50 years.


Not sure what you are trying to say here, Hawk.

I am not into thoughts about "victims" or "oppressors."

I think we are a nation of great wealth...and that at very least we can have a broad and varied program of safety nets for those who cannot compete reasonably in the dog-eat-dog world in which our economic system has set us.

I am not looking for all to have equal...but I do want to see everyone have enough. EVERYONE...that includes the lazy!
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2015 02:27 pm
@Frank Apisa,
No work no eat is a good policy. I would only supply welfare to those who helped to pull the wagon by way of a public service job, and everyone who wanted on would have one. This idea of paying everyone a min wage to do nothing is one of the most asinine ideas I have heard in a long time. I half expect hillary to campaign on it, which would reaffirm that she is an idiot.

Btw: we are in fact a nation that is massively in debt...there is no wealth to spread around.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2015 02:29 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Yes, if it comes to that, and I've said so elsewhere, I'll vote for her, with temerity as I consider her irresponsibly hawkish. Which, of course is her right to be: just that it worries me.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2015 02:34 pm
@hawkeye10,
You are welcome to your opinion, Hawk...but one of the reasons I detest the Republican Party as much as I do...is because so many Republicans feel that way. (I do not detest you...or any Republican, just the mindset.)

I am glad not everyone is of that mindset.

We have plenty of wealth to spread around. What do you suppose we do not have enough of...food for everyone...enough clothes for everyone...enough shelter for everyone...enough opportunity for education for everyone...enough medical care for everyone?

Do we not have enough televisions...coffee pots...pencils?

What?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2015 02:39 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Balance sheets are not a political concept, nor are they very open to reinterpretation, they are a numerically factual device.

One of the main problems with the left is the belief that facts can be ignored through force of will, often using government power to ram home that will. The reality is that the universe does not give a damn what you want to be true, and it will always punish you fir not recognizing facts.

Btw the right has much the same problem with understanding facts, which largly account for why I despise both sides. This is an all american failure. I blame the education system, with particular distaln for the "elite" universities.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2015 02:54 pm
@hawkeye10,
I understand, Hawk.

So...which of those things do you think we do not have enough of...so that the notion of ensuring that everyone has enough is such a bad idea.

Do we not have enough clothes for everyone? Do some people have to go without a coat in order for the United States to function?

Do we not have enough shelter...enough warm rooms so that everyone can be, if not comfortable, at least not freezing out in the cold? Do some people have to freeze...and go without shelter in order for the United States to function?

Do we not have enough doctors and drugs...so that some people have to die or go without medical attention in order for the United States to function?

Not enough teachers or schools?

I'm just trying to get a better picture of what you are saying.

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RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 12 Mar, 2015 08:07 pm
@ossobuco,
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Aren't they in Cincinnati?


Went over my head Osso. Explain please.
 

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