@Relinquish,
I'm not a philosopher So please excuse me if I misconstrue your post or what I say offends you. Sometime I like to analyse ideas by parsing the language.
You use terms like Zero and Nothing and equate them as if the are something physical. you use terms like orderly with out showing that indeed that this process has some order to the universe, or perhaps you might enlighten me in your opinion how this order works in this universe. To me, and again I apology if what I say offends, but your post sounds a lot like sophism. I may need to be corrected here, but I think terms like these, zero and nothing etc, are used in the abstract, intangible terms which are helpful when trying to understand the world in which we actually, tangibly live in.
we know math is abstract,that a number can be divided infinitely, but yet math helps us to built homes etc. We do not live in the gray areas that abstract thinking allows us to venture into mentally. Our actions are in real time, in the real world I believe.
There isn't a Roman numeral for zero, yet The Romans were great engineers.
Science was handed a great tool when the Arabs added zero to their numeric system.
So abstract thinking could advance by leaps and bounds because we had...no, we have a way to look at the universe as if we were standing outside it looking at it objectively. We are looking in from the outside metaphorically speaking. I think math is the abstract language of science. I think, believe and feel with a great deal of certainty that the scientific method is the only way, to some degree, we can learn bout existence and our place in it and realize that we are part of it.
To say that we are zero, in this sense and context of nothing, has no meaning and presents a conundrum. Don't you have to do the math sort of to speak? Don't you have to refer to something, to make that comparison using nothing or the empty space to distinguish between objects? Don't we use language to communicate our thoughts?
As far as consciousness I know Danial Dennett a great modern day philosopher writes about consciousness. And what of Neuroscience and their findings about understanding consciousness? What ever conclusions they draw they use something to make these assessments about something, this something is our Universe, which is not about nothing.
And what about the existential Philosopher Jean Paul Sartre and his writings about "Being and Nothing", since you seem interested in this subject?
Again, these are just a little of my own jumbled and humbled thoughts.
Thanks for letting me rant and vent and ramble on. LOL
You're singing Frank's song ! You'll have him dancing with you if you are not careful !
