Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

The Senate was supposed to give state governments a voice in the federal government. We need to go back to letting state governments appoint US senators instead of electing them.



That's what the electoral college does. It ensures that everyone has an equal say in electing the president.

No, because not all the people are citizens.

Everyone is a citizen somewhere...

So, Americans should be allowed to vote in other countries elections then, right?

My response was to CJ who said not everybody is a citizen.

Coldjoint's point is why should people who aren't citizens be allowed to vote.

You're saying they should be allowed to vote in America?

There wasn't specific mention of that sort. Furthermore it was a response from CJ to MJ regarding who should be allowed to vote. Since people who are not citizens of the U.S. Don't vote in U.S. elections, it was ridiculous for CJ to even make such a comment. My post to CJ was a comment on the absurdity.

Hardly ridiculous, and their numbers yield extra representation in the form of members of Congress whether they vote or not.
http://www.capoliticalreview.com/capoliticalnewsandviews/poll-13-of-illegal-aliens-admit-they-vote/

It really is an absurd notion, isn't it?

You do know that mainstream democrats like Kamila Harris and Cory Booker want illegal immigrants to be able to vote in U.S. elections right?

No, some people are subjects, that is what the elites (and politicians) want and you enable them by being so gullible.

Well, since polls are not raw data, I'm very skeptical about this... Then I read it, now I'm convinced you're wacked...



Gotta love the Conservative spin by John McLaughlin, you know, the guy who "was sued for sexual harassment and discrimination by a former employee. He settled the suit for $4 million in December 1989." And John Kurzweil, the "founder" of the California Political Review,



Then, there's the "poll" itself, which is a telephone interview taken in 2013, of 800 Hispanics. Yes, very scientific data...

Just made me laugh, first thing in the morning. Thanks!

Why shouldn't people who "are" citizens not get their vote counted equally?

The popular vote was overwhelmingly for Hillary Clinton, not Donald Trump.

The electoral college should be a reflection of the electorate.

Purging voter rolls of mostly black voters and students?

A party has to be really unpopular to have to resort to stealing elections.

Republics have subjects and democracies have citizens.

Just so you know who these "elites" really are...

Wrong again. Our Constitution calls us citizens. Democracies have mobs.

With respect to the origins of the word ("res publica") , its contemporary meaning, and the observable examples around the world, you are dead wrong here

Kings and autocracies have subjects: republics have citizens.

A Fuk**** poll is not a proven fact. More of some conservative liars opinion posted as fact. Proof? I lie at polls all the time because I don't feel constrained to cooperate with b s polls.

I've done similar. That would account for the showing the late Jerry Falwell received more than 30 years ago. (it was one of those telephone call polls and they rattled off names, asking if I'd be interested in voting for them)

Based on this, we can ignore every poll used by the MSM and DNC to push their agenda, that includes guns and the Popular vote. Thank you and Sturgis both for admitting that public polls are BS and fraudulent. We shouldn't expect you to use polls as evidence for anything moving forward.

But it is a fact illegals vote, and vote Democratic, and you know it.

19. That's it. 19....

Justice Department Finds 19 Illegal Voters; Right-Wing Peanut Gallery Cheers
By Ed Kilgore

The president has famously claimed on more than one occasion that Democrats benefited from a vast number of illegal votes in 2016:

Donald J. Trump
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In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally
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4:30 PM - Nov 27, 2016

More recently he claimed the illegal voters amounted to “millions and millions,” just in one state:

“In many places the same person in California votes many times,” said Trump, at the official White House event in West Virginia on tax cuts. “They always like to say, ‘Oh that’s a conspiracy theory.’ It’s not a conspiracy theory. Millions and millions of people and it’s very hard because the state guards their records.”

Anytime you make an outlandish claim and then in the same utterance admit you can’t prove it, your credibility isn’t great.

There is, in fact, a vast academic literature on this subject, unanimously holding that “voter fraud”— whether it’s voter impersonation or double voting — is an extremely small problem. It’s not entirely nonexistent, but it hardly justifies all the alarms regularly raised by conservatives seeking to justify voter ID requirements that just so happen to discourage voting by many perfectly qualified citizens. And less you object that these studies were all done by liberal elitists at godless Ivy League schools, one I noticed is most definitely not:

Researchers at Brigham Young University examined impersonation fraud both at the polls and by mail ballot in selected jurisdictions in Florida, Ohio, and Utah. Outside of two previously known fraud cases, they found no additional incidents. They wrote that their results “support the conclusion that electoral fraud, if it occurs, is an isolated and rare occurrence in modern U.S. elections.”

Most recently, Trump’s own Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity, headed by the notorious vote suppressor and Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, shut down amids complaints that the states weren’t complying with some mighty invasive information requests. But here was the underlying reality, as the New York Times reported:

[N]o state has uncovered significant evidence to support the president’s claim, and election officials, including many Republicans, have strongly rejected it.

But that hasn’t kept the administration from pursuing this phantom menace. And today cries of triumph emerged from various conservative media precincts, led by Fox News:

Nineteen foreign nationals have been charged with illegal voting in the 2016 election, the Justice Department said Friday.

The defendants are from numerous countries, including Mexico, the Dominican Republic, Nigeria and Germany.

Some of them were charged in an indictment handed down by a federal grand jury in Wilmington, N.C. They were accused of filing a false claim of citizenship in order to register, and then voting.

Others were charged separately for illegally voting.

The announcement comes amid an intense debate at the state level over voter fraud and efforts by Republican lawmakers to impose voter ID restrictions.

At the Gateway Pundit, the chortling was uncontrolled:

There’s a rather obvious problem with this “AHA LIBERALS” reaction to the case, beyond the fact that the 19 people involved have not been convicted, and the details aren’t clear (in the one case where DOJ does provide details, it seems the alleged illegal voter had a fake passport, which is probably not going to get caught by voter ID requirements). We’re talking about 19 people, which is a bit short of “millions,” much less “millions of millions.”

19 illegal aliens were indicted on charges of illegal voting during the 2016 presidential election, the DOJ said Friday.

But the Democrats and their media mouthpieces told us that the notion that illegal aliens are voting is just a conspiracy theory made up by right-wingers ….
This is why the Democrats don’t want voter ID laws.

Please get back to us when you’re at least up to thousands of cases, and then we can talk. But this gloating over next to nothing is just embarrassing.