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Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

 
 
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Fri 24 May, 2019 07:18 pm
@oralloy,
The article clearly points out the Trump Administration policy to detain people requesting asylum and removing children as a punitive measure to deter people from presenting themselves at the border for asylum.

Punitive.

To

deter

others.

Not as a legality or humanitarian measure. A punitive one.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 24 May, 2019 07:21 pm
@neptuneblue,
I don't see anything in the article about removing children from people who apply for asylum at the border.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Fri 24 May, 2019 07:37 pm
@oralloy,
You're being obtuse.

After separation at the border months ago, some migrant families tearfully reunite
By ANDREA CASTILLO
APR 19, 2019 | 4:00 AM

As parents were released Monday night from a detention facility and dropped off a block from the border in Calexico, they were greeted by advocates with Border Kindness.
The Honduran cattle herder rubbed his hands nervously, perched on the edge of his seat in the baggage claim area of San Diego International Airport, scanning the crowd.

Suddenly, a curly-haired teenager caught his eye.

“That’s my son,” he said, his mouth widening into a grin as he launched himself toward an embrace that had been nearly a year in the making.

“Don’t cry,” he whispered as he hugged the boy, who had surpassed him in height since the two were apprehended last May by U.S. immigration agents. Redin, 39, and his 16-year-old son, also named Redin, were split up that same night. A month later, the father was deported back to Honduras and the boy was shuttled to a youth detention facility in Texas.

Last week, Redin was among the first of 17 Central American parents to be reunited with their children, the result of a humanitarian intervention by immigrant rights groups, propelled by a national class-action lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union on behalf of migrant parents separated from their families.

The lawsuit argues that the government’s actions violate the Constitution’s due process clause, federal law protecting asylum seekers, and the government’s own stated directive to keep families intact.

Since the Trump administration’s family separation policy began last spring, hundreds of parents were deported while their children remained in the United States. Government documents have shown that officials began separating families months before the policy was announced, which could result in potentially thousands more separations than previously known.

Though a U.S. District Court judge in San Diego blocked the policy last June and ordered the Trump administration to reunite all separated families, migrant advocates say that the administration has continued to quietly separate hundreds more families.

Last month, lawyers with the nonprofit Al Otro Lado (“On the Other Side”) helped nearly 30 parents from El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala travel to the Mexicali border, across from Calexico, Calif., to demand entry to pursue asylum claims and reunite with their children. Redin and other parents who spoke with The Times did so on the condition that their last names not be published.

All the parents — who arrived at the border March 2 — previously had entered the U.S. and been detained, then deported, while their children were placed in U.S. shelters and foster homes or with stateside relatives. Twelve parents who came with minor children and other family members were processed and released within a week. But the 17 others who arrived alone were held in the detention facility, without explanation, until last week.

Al Otro Lado received close to $1 million from the nonprofit Together Rising, which established fundraising campaigns during the height of the separation crisis. After lawyers found the parents, they secured legal permission for them to enter Mexico; the parents then presented themselves to officials at the U.S. border. They all passed credible fear interviews, the first step toward establishing claims for asylum.

Erika Pinheiro, Al Otro Lado’s litigation and policy director, calls her strategy the “self-help option” for deported parents. She said it became necessary because the federal government wasn’t moving quickly enough.

“The U.S. government isn’t providing a clear path for every deported parent,” she said. “We can’t be waiting around.”

The first parents were released Monday night from the detention facility and dropped off a block from the border in Calexico, where advocates with Border Kindness greeted them.

Founder Kelly Overton started the organization after learning about the migrant caravans in late 2017 and realizing there were few resources for those in the Mexicali, Mexico, area. When Al Otro Lado put out a call for help last month, he jumped at the chance.

“If these were white kids taken from their parents and put somewhere, people would be outraged,” Overton said.

Many parents decided it was best for their children to stay in the U.S., fearing that they would be killed if they returned. But that decision isn’t without consequences. Children not placed in long-term foster care had to adapt to multiple shelters while being shuttled around the country.

“The kids are super-traumatized,” said Pinheiro. “Reunification is not the end of the story.”

Pinheiro and her team talked to nearly 100 parents deported without their children. Some didn’t have asylum claims, didn’t want to come back to the U.S., or said the first trip crippled them economically and they couldn’t afford the risk again.

Other parents, desperate to get their kids back, paid smugglers or otherwise somehow made their way back up through Mexico to attempt reunification on their own.

Additional parents have been referred to Al Otro Lado through other advocates. Pinheiro said she’s exploring how to help a second group of parents get to the U.S. legally to reclaim their children.

Among the thousands of separated families who haven’t been identified, many won’t be so lucky. For the 29 parents Al Otro Lado helped return, lawyers advocated to delay their children’s legal cases until they could find out whether the parents would be allowed back in to seek asylum.

But other children separated before the policy went into effect have deportation orders. Some, including 52-year-old Lorenza’s son, have already been removed from the country.

Her son, Jose, was 17 when they were separated by the Border Patrol. He spent a year in a youth facility, where he had a case manager who called Lorenza regularly after she was deported back to Guatemala. But when he turned 18, he was moved to a detention center for adults.

Jose had no money to call his mother. He didn’t know she’d been in contact with lawyers and was on her way back to the U.S. to reunite with him. With the other parents in Tijuana, days before they reached Mexicali, she got a call from Guatemala. It was Jose.

Pinheiro submitted a motion to reopen Jose’s case. Still, she said: “For a lot of parents, it’s going to be too late.”

For Lorenza and the parents released from Calexico, last week was just the beginning of a likely years-long asylum process. Next they’ll show up for appointments with Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers, apply for work permits and prepare for their first court hearings. Pinheiro will find new lawyers for those who will be living outside of Southern California and connect them with mental health services.

One is Nelvi, 36, who fled El Salvador with her then-14-year-old daughter, Ingris, after gang members attempted to rape the girl and threatened to kill them both.

They were detained by Border Patrol after entering Texas in April 2018. Two days later, an officer asked if Nelvi ever had been arrested in El Salvador. She told the officer that once, years ago, she’d been handcuffed briefly after a hair-pulling fight with her former husband’s sister, but she’d never been to jail or charged with a crime.

The officer cut off her explanation, and said they were taking her daughter because Nelvi was a criminal.

Two months later, getting desperate, Nelvi signed for her deportation, while Ingris stayed in a Texas youth detention facility. The weight of her suffering grew to be too much for Ingris, who tried twice to kill herself, the second time spending 10 days hospitalized.

“Mama, I need you more than ever," she told Nelvi.

In San Diego, two days before their reunion, Nelvi showed a reporter the black chiffon dress and matching sequined wedge sandals that she’d brought for her daughter. Ingris missed her mother’s cooking and had requested a reunion meal of fried fish with bean-and-cheese pupusas.

“I’m going to buy the ingredients and make it for you,” a beaming Nelvi told her.

Redin, the cattle herder, said he never was offered the option of taking his son with him back to Honduras. But even if he had, he wouldn’t have wanted to: It was too dangerous.

His lawyers say that Redin escaped human trafficking in Honduras. Worried that his son also could be targeted, Redin borrowed money from his brother in the U.S. and paid a smuggler nearly $4,500 to get them into Texas. He didn’t want to leave his wife and five other children, but felt he had no choice.

Three hours after crossing the Rio Grande last May, the two were discovered by Border Patrol and taken to a nearby detention facility where they were placed in a hielera, or icebox — the nickname given by migrants to the frigid holding cells inside Customs and Border Protection facilities.

Redin began to sob when officials informed him that he was being deported while his son would stay in the U.S. Eventually he was brought some papers and told to sign. He can’t read and didn’t know what they were for but, feeling scared, did as he was told. He had agreed to be deported.

Eleven months later, when Redin arrived at the border last week, Border Kindness advocacy director Yolanda Brown drove him to Walmart to buy clothes and snacks. He stayed up late on his first night out of detention, listening to local Spanish radio on his phone.

Three days afterward, in the car leaving the airport en route to a new life with a California sponsor, Redin put his arm around his son.

“When they took away my son, I never lost hope,” he said. “I prayed to God that someday I’d be with my son again. One night I dreamed that I was hugging him.”

Finally, he was.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 24 May, 2019 07:44 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:
You're being obtuse.

I'm just adhering to facts.


Quote:
"Don't cry," he whispered as he hugged the boy, who had surpassed him in height since the two were apprehended last May by U.S. immigration agents. Redin, 39, and his 16-year-old son, also named Redin, were split up that same night. A month later, the father was deported back to Honduras and the boy was shuttled to a youth detention facility in Texas.

This article appears to be about people who entered the US illegally instead of applying for asylum at the border.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Fri 24 May, 2019 07:47 pm
@oralloy,
I adhered to the facts. Nowhere in the article does it say either person entered the U.S. illegally.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 24 May, 2019 07:49 pm
@neptuneblue,
How did they end up apprehended by US immigration agents if they were not in the US illegally?
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Fri 24 May, 2019 07:51 pm
@oralloy,
They were "detained" by Trump's family separation policy.

oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 24 May, 2019 07:55 pm
@neptuneblue,
That's what happens when they enter the US illegally instead of presenting an asylum claim at the US border.

As I said in my post that you initially objected to:
"They cross into the US illegally, get caught, and get separated."
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Fri 24 May, 2019 08:00 pm
@oralloy,
False.

neptuneblue wrote:
Another reason is that the Trump Administration has begun treating asylum seekers as unlawful immigrants, and trying out a variety of policies to deter them, such as placing all of them into detention, charging application fees, or forcing them to wait in Mexico.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 24 May, 2019 08:04 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:
False.

That is incorrect. The separation of children from parents happens with people who enter the US illegally.


Quote:
Another reason is that the Trump Administration has begun treating asylum seekers as unlawful immigrants, and trying out a variety of policies to deter them, such as placing all of them into detention, charging application fees, or forcing them to wait in Mexico.

I see nothing there about separating children from parents.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Fri 24 May, 2019 08:12 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
That is incorrect. The separation of children from parents happens with people who enter the US illegally.


False.

Whether entering legally or illegally, ALL immigrants for ANY reason are being detained at the southern border.


oralloy wrote:
I see nothing there about separating children from parents.


neptuneblue wrote:
Government documents have shown that officials began separating families months before the policy was announced, which could result in potentially thousands more separations than previously known.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 24 May, 2019 08:20 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:
False.

That is incorrect. The separation of children from parents only happens with people who enter the US illegally.


neptuneblue wrote:
Whether entering legally or illegally, ALL immigrants for ANY reason are being detained at the southern border.

Maybe so, but that is a different issue from the claims about children being separated from their parents.


Quote:
Government documents have shown that officials began separating families months before the policy was announced, which could result in potentially thousands more separations than previously known.

That is from an article about people who entered the US illegally, not about people who presented asylum claims at the border.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Fri 24 May, 2019 08:21 pm
@oralloy,
False.

Re-check your facts.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 24 May, 2019 08:23 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:
False.

That is incorrect. The separation of children from their parents is only happening when people enter the US illegally.


neptuneblue wrote:
Re-check your facts.

My facts all check out.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Fri 24 May, 2019 08:28 pm
@oralloy,
You can argue all you want.

There's the truth laid out right in front of you.

Your facts are not facts. Opinions are not as intelligent as they may seem.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 24 May, 2019 08:30 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:
There's the truth laid out right in front of you.

The truth is that the separation of children from their parents is only happening with people who illegally enter the US.


neptuneblue wrote:
Your facts are not facts.

Yes they are.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Fri 24 May, 2019 08:34 pm
@oralloy,
Arguing with opinions is futile. Statements of fact is what I presented. Facts are not subjective. Opinions are.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Reply Fri 24 May, 2019 08:40 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:
Statements of fact is what I presented.

Your facts do not say what you claim they say.

Your article about "people who present claims at the border" does not say that any of them have had children separated from parents.

Your article about "children separated from their parents" deals exclusively with people who entered the US illegally.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Fri 24 May, 2019 08:42 pm
@oralloy,
Prove it.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 24 May, 2019 08:47 pm
@neptuneblue,
Here's your article about people who present claims at the border:
http://able2know.org/topic/267070-807#post-6847134

Note the complete absence of anything about children being removed from parents.


Here's your article about children separated from their parents:
http://able2know.org/topic/267070-808#post-6847152

Note that all of the cases involved people who illegally entered the US.
 

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