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Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

 
 
Brand X
 
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Reply Wed 17 Apr, 2019 11:50 am
'NATIONAL REPUBLICANS PICKED up the tab for the legal defense of a North Carolina congressional candidate whose campaign illegally solicited and forged absentee ballots in the state’s 9th District, according to disclosures filed with the Federal Election Commission. The attorney has been accused by the North Carolina State Board of Elections of improperly withholding documents that would help expose the fraud.

Financing the legal defense implicates national Republicans in the scandal, but it hasn’t stopped them from exploiting to push new voter suppression laws. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy have both spoken out about ballot harvesting in the 9th District, without naming the party as the culprit, using the episode to justify their push for stricter voter ID laws and attempting to curtail early voting.'

https://theintercept.com/2019/04/17/national-republicans-mark-harris-north-carolina/
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 17 Apr, 2019 05:10 pm
@Brand X,
Akela Lacy wrote:
Financing the legal defense implicates national Republicans in the scandal,

Not really.


Akela Lacy wrote:
but it hasn't stopped them from exploiting to push new voter suppression laws. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy have both spoken out about ballot harvesting in the 9th District, without naming the party as the culprit, using the episode to justify their push for stricter voter ID laws and attempting to curtail early voting.

Democratic cheating is wrong. Republicans are right to try to stop Democrats from cheating.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 17 Apr, 2019 05:11 pm
@TheCobbler,
TheCobbler wrote:
King James Version

That is a terrible translation of the Bible.

Can I convince you to give the New Revised Standard Version a try?

Perhaps an Oxford Annotated Bible variant of the NRSV?
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 17 Apr, 2019 05:15 pm
@TheCobbler,
TheCobbler wrote:
You're defending liberties?

Yes.


TheCobbler wrote:
Who's the dirty liberal now?

The left are the people who are trying to violate civil liberties for fun.


TheCobbler wrote:
Galatians 5:13-15 (KJV)
13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love [not money] serve one another. 14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

Comment:
50 dead school children in one shooting I would call, "an occasion to the flesh".

American gun control is not about trying to save lives. The only goal is to violate civil liberties for fun.


TheCobbler wrote:
Apparently you are giving guns to crazies

I'm doing nothing of the sort.


TheCobbler wrote:
your liberty is too liberal.

This is why it is important to keep voting for Trump and the Republicans.

Leftists think that civil liberties should be abolished. Trump will protect our freedom.


TheCobbler wrote:
THIS weakens the liberties of others.

No. Civil liberties do not harm other people's civil liberties.


TheCobbler wrote:
The republican party is eating itself from within.

That does not appear to be the case.
Sturgis
 
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Reply Wed 17 Apr, 2019 05:20 pm
@oralloy,
Try the St.Joseph's version.

Actually it matters not which version a person opts for. They all contain the same ideas.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 17 Apr, 2019 07:08 pm
@Sturgis,
Newer translations can benefit from greater understanding of the original text, either because scholars have discovered errors in earlier versions of the original text, or because scholars have discovered new insights into what a word meant and how it should be translated into English.

Translations made after 1950 are much better than any earlier translation (presuming that they take advantage of 1950s scholarship). Translations made after 1980 are better yet (if they take advantage of modern scholarship).

Plus, even assuming modern scholarship, there can still be different choices made as to what the base text should be, and what is the best way to represent it in English.



Modern translation scholarship actually can make a difference. Here is Genesis 1, 20-26 from the King James Version. The red text is often used to justify humans doing whatever they want to the environment:

20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.



Now here is the same from the NRSV:

20 And God said, "Let the waters bring forth swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the dome of the sky." 21 So God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, of every kind, with which the waters swarm, and every winged bird of every kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth." 23 And there was evening and there was morning, the fifth day.
24 And God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures of every kind: cattle and creeping things and wild animals of the earth of every kind." And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals of the earth of every kind, and the cattle of every kind, and everything that creeps upon the ground of every kind. And God saw that it was good.
26 Then God said, "Let us make humankind in our image, according to our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the wild animals of the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."


Because some ancient scribe skipped a word, what was meant to be "dominion over all the beasts of the earth" became "dominion over all the earth". And that error was then used to provide biblical justification for polluting the environment.

But because of modern scholarship, there is no justification for doing whatever we want to the environment in the NRSV.



The only St. Joseph Version that I know of is a special binding of the New American Bible. I'm not impressed with the NAB.

If I want a Bible with a distinct Catholic flavor, the RSV-CE has far superior Catholic flavoring.

If I want a Bible with the Old Testament translated directly from the Greek Septuagint, Orthodox Christians are the only game in town.

If I want state of the art scholarship of the Old Testament, the NRSV has the best Old Testament scholarship that I know of.
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Thu 18 Apr, 2019 12:27 pm
@oralloy,
Oralloy wrote:
TheCobbler wrote:
THIS weakens the liberties of others.


No. Civil liberties do not harm other people's civil liberties.

Yelling fire in a movie theater harms free speech and semi-automatic weapons fired in a movie theater harms the second amendment.

(we regulate certain kinds of speech to keep other kinds of speech free.)

You have to be brainwashed with Russian lies and controlled by your crooked hypocrite overlord to not understand that.
maporsche
 
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Reply Thu 18 Apr, 2019 01:06 pm
@TheCobbler,
This is disgusting.

Not Melania Trump posing nude....the "slut shaming" that this meme represents.
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Thu 18 Apr, 2019 01:20 pm
@maporsche,
What is even more disgusting is the "family values" hypocrisy...

The shaming of transgendered people in the military and the attack on LGBTQ families by Mr. "grab them by the pussy" president.

Hypocrisy should not go unchallenged...

So, your point is not taken.
maporsche
 
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Reply Thu 18 Apr, 2019 01:21 pm
@TheCobbler,
TheCobbler wrote:

So, your point is not taken.


Well, then make statements against that.

Here, you're just slut shaming.
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Thu 18 Apr, 2019 04:34 pm
@maporsche,
No, "hypocrite shaming", a very different thing.

My problem is not with the slut it is with the hypocrite.

Hypocrite sluts are not sluts they are sluts who think it is okay to shame others without any regard to their own behavior. Sluts who pay off porn stars while their wife is giving birth.

How about Mexican shaming? ("they are sending us their drug dealers, their murderers, their rapists.")

How about veteran shaming? (defaming John McCain and parents of fallen soldiers.)

How about Hillary shaming? ("nasty Hillary"? "Lock her up"!)

There is no depth that Trump has not sunk to to shame others who were undeserving of his hate while he is the very dregs of society.

Donald Trump is a tabloid trash flinging piece of ****.

I have no problem with mail order bride porn star sluts until their crooked pimp husbands start running their big fat mouths criticizing others who are miles above them in morality and stature.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 18 Apr, 2019 05:11 pm
@TheCobbler,
TheCobbler wrote:
How about Mexican shaming?

No such shaming occurred.


TheCobbler wrote:
("they are sending us their drug dealers, their murderers, their rapists.")

Noting the fact that drug dealers, murders, and rapists are coming in with the illegal immigrants is not shaming Mexicans.


TheCobbler wrote:
How about veteran shaming? (defaming John McCain

That surrendering coward McCain was a horrible person who deserved to be shamed.


TheCobbler wrote:
and parents of fallen soldiers.)

No such shaming occurred.


TheCobbler wrote:
How about Hillary shaming? ("nasty Hillary"? "Lock her up"!)

Not nearly as bad as what the Democrats were (and are) doing to him.


TheCobbler wrote:
There is no depth that Trump has not sunk to to shame others who were undeserving of his hate while he is the very dregs of society.

The only two occurrences of actual shaming in your list (Hillary and the cowardly McCain) were against people who were entirely deserving of his political attacks.
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 18 Apr, 2019 05:12 pm
@TheCobbler,
TheCobbler wrote:
Yelling fire in a movie theater harms free speech and semi-automatic weapons fired in a movie theater harms the second amendment.

Free Speech and the Second Amendment have not been harmed.


TheCobbler wrote:
we regulate certain kinds of speech to keep other kinds of speech free.

Yes. But such regulations are allowed only if they can be justified with a good reason.

There isn't a good reason for outlawing pistol grips on rifles.


TheCobbler wrote:
You have to be brainwashed with Russian lies and controlled by your crooked hypocrite overlord to not understand that.

Nah. You just need to understand basic legal concepts like Strict Scrutiny.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 18 Apr, 2019 05:13 pm
@TheCobbler,
TheCobbler wrote:
The constitution says that what public servants do "is my business",

No it doesn't. You have the right to have some public information, of course. But you don't have any right to have government secrets. And you don't have any right to pry into the private lives of government officials.


TheCobbler wrote:
so stop trying to cover up the corruption of your party.

I have never tried to cover up their corruption.


TheCobbler wrote:
Your party's illicit deeds of corruption are an offence against our country.

I agree. That's why I've proposed outlawing them.


TheCobbler wrote:
And "we the people" are in charge of the executive branch. Senate republicans will soon learn that in the next election when your party will be voted out en masse.

Senate elections have nothing to do with the executive branch.


TheCobbler wrote:
You think the NRA buying off the republican party strengthens our second amendment?

Protecting the Second Amendment does indeed strengthen it.


TheCobbler wrote:
You on the other hand are lacking the morality to get out of the party.

The day will come when people like me will retake the Democratic Party and purge it of nutty leftists. I'm staying put and fighting for the soul of my party.


TheCobbler wrote:
Gerrymandering impacts an election when a large city of people are given the same amounts of votes as a large swath of underpopulated rural farmland. It defies the one person one vote law unless republicans think cows and chickens should vote too. The people deserve more than lawless representation.

There is no gerrymandering in statewide elections. Entire states are single election districts.

In almost all of the states, presidential elections are decided on the basis of statewide votes.


TheCobbler wrote:
Oh and republican led voter disenfranchisement of minorities, fake news meant to intimidate and mislead voters, voting scams. Is this also how the executive branch operates?

Republicans are only preventing Democrats from cheating in elections.


TheCobbler wrote:
Comment
You belong to a party of liars and crooks..

One day people like me will purge the Democratic Party of those liars and crooks.

Until that day, Republicans will hold the White House.


TheCobbler wrote:
Stolen by voters? Votes stolen by republican trickery is more like it. (because your party can't win fairly)

No trickery. Voters really do prefer that Republicans stay in charge of the White House.


TheCobbler wrote:
The voters are now aware of your party's extortion and this next election will reveal the evidence of your party's crimes...

No need for a reveal. People already know how horrible the Democratic Party currently is.


TheCobbler wrote:
Your crooked Trump is the best recruiting tool the democrats could ever wish for.

At the moment Democrats don't really matter. They are out of power and will stay out of power until the party is purged of all the nutty leftists.


TheCobbler wrote:
Republicans have weakened the second amendment not strengthened it.

That is incorrect. Protecting civil liberties does not weaken them.


TheCobbler wrote:
Unregulated militias weaken the second amendment and bring its value up for question.

What is an unregulated militia?


TheCobbler wrote:
Unregulated because greedy republicans have been bought off to allow the profit of the gun lobby to come before principle and life (the first amendment).

Unregulated because there is no such thing.

The gun lobby is not about profit. They are about civil liberties.

The gun lobby is not at odds with principle, with life, or with the First Amendment.


TheCobbler wrote:
The second amendment requires morality to guide its protections, not money.

No. The Second Amendment requires you to not violate our ancient right to keep and bear arms.
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Thu 18 Apr, 2019 05:15 pm
@oralloy,
Now look who is shaming.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 18 Apr, 2019 07:42 pm
@TheCobbler,
Talk about a probiscus stuck eight inches up Trumps a--.
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Thu 18 Apr, 2019 11:01 pm
@TheCobbler,
People who want to call John McCain a surrendering coward do not deserve the protection of the men and women who have served in combat for this country. But they will get it even though they are ungrateful whining pissy pants because the people who fought for this nation, fought to protect all of us and our constitution, including the whiners.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 19 Apr, 2019 09:11 am
@glitterbag,
Well said. John McCain distinguished himself, among other things, for his candor and honesty about internal things few people have the courage to either face themselves or deal with publicly. He ejected from an A-4 during a strike on Hanoi, landing in an urban lake and was quickly surrounded by well armed and angry militia whose rough treatment seriously added to a lasting shoulder injury he experienced in the ejection. He was quickly recognized (through U.S. media reports) as the son of an Admiral, then in charge of our Pacific Fleet and therefore subject to intense efforts to extract embarrassing material. He was interned in the infamous Hanoi Hilton where he (and others) were tortured repeatedly - and one common method, suspending the subject by his elbows, tied together behind his back - in addition to his initial injuries, left him with a lasting disability. He was open and candid about his torture and reactions to it, including a couple of lapses under rather extreme duress. He, like another hero of that scene, Jim Stockdale, learned to simply make his captors start over in the next interrogation by denying anything they got earlier. Their resistance worked and by 1971 the prisoners were running the place.

John was well known for his outspoken hot temper, and in his early days at Annapolis and in aircraft squadrons for a bit of hell-raising. There's a once famous film clip of a very damaging flight deck fire on USS Forrestal showing an A-4 pilot gingerly walking out on the refueling probe above a raging fuel fire below him - that too was John McCain.
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Fri 19 Apr, 2019 02:28 pm
@Sturgis,
The King James Version is the most widely used Bible translation because there is a mass of study books written around that particular version which allows one to easily trace the English words back the their Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic origins.

I am replying to your post mostly for Oralloy's benefit.

If I had used Beavis and Butt-Head's translation of the Bible, Oralloy might not have complained...
 

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