Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

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Quote Baldimo:

You mean you have no answer. You complain that the Mueller investigation is unfair because some investigators talked among themselves that they felt Trump was guilty. Fact is, during every investigation which comes to trial the investigators come to believe that one or more of the people is guilty. It's the natural process.

If we eliminate all the cases where the investigators came to believe the guy was guilty, we'd have no criminal cases.

The difference is, President Donald Trump, who tweeted after his historic June 12 summit with Kim that "there was no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea." is the only one foolish enough, and naïve enough, to make such an indefensible and unsubstantiated claim.

Kim played him like a fiddle.

And he'll likely blame Kim, and want to retaliate against him, for this blow to his ego.

The real difference is Trump doing something about it. If you do not want to wish him luck that is too bad, he is all we got.

I mean I'm not going to dignify that bullshit with an answer.


I'm not sure I said it was unfair, I think I pointed out the political bias of the FBI agents involved in investigating the person who beat their favored candidate. If these same type of text messages were being passed by FBI agents who didn't like Hillary Clinton and were investigating her, you would be up in arms and screaming about the bias and you would be correct in doing so.


Is that your excuse? There was bias by these FBI agents prior to the investigation taking place. Did you miss the exchange of messages in July 2016 about "stopping Trump"? There was no Mueller investigation, in fact this was within the week of Trump winning the GOP nomination, not the election.


You obviously are either ignoring the definition of bias or you don't understand what it means.
If there was no bias, why did he lose his job and get walked out of the building? How many high ranking FBI agents involved with this investigation have been found to be doing things they shouldn't have? McCabe lost his job and retirement, that doesn't happen because of nothing...

Nonsense ! The fact is that the FBI and IRS started with ample, in hand evidence of large sums of money flowing from Capone's criminal activity, and developed the, then novel, theory or idea of prosecuting him for failing to pay the required taxes. They used the evidence of the criminal income and the demonstrable fact that he did not report it, as the Tax law, requires to convict him.

Comey and the other FBI agents associated with him first conspired to whitewash Hillary in their investigation of activity that, by their own inadvertent admission constituted "gross negligence in the handling of classified information" - itself a crime, and then conspired -in the absence of any evidence of criminal activity to investigate the Trump, the Trump campaign and all associated with it in search of some evidence on which to prosecute any emerging targets of any crimes they might discover.

A very large difference there. Moreover after over a year they haven't come up with anything, except some eight year old, unrelated activity on the part of Manafort , and some, probably coerced admissions. by others of lying to FBI investigators. On these matters there is already emerging evidence that the charges were contrived and the pleas coerced.

The many contrasts between the Clinton and Trump investigations, together with the ample and clear evidence of bias toward Clinton and against Trump in these back-to-back investigations. on the part of the same people involved in both. is undeniable.

Believing anything else defies logic.

No. The truth is, we don't yet know what they have come up with regarding Trump, and we will just have to wait and see. This investigation isn't leaking information, and that just creates more anxiety for Trump and his Trumpeters.

Why do you think Trump and his supporters are working so frantically to try to discredit Mueller and the investigation? They are trying, in advance, to neutralize the effect of any negative, and damaging, and possibly criminal. revelations about Trump that the results of the investigation might yield.

One also has to wonder why Trump consistently downplays the fact that a foreign power meddled in our 2016 election, and will likely continue to do so in future elections. Where is his appropriate concern for ensuring the security of our basic democratic processes from this threat?

Personally I think they are there covering Obama's and Killary's asses making sure any concrete proof of their involvement is scrubbed, destroyed before it is bought out. But that is just my opinion.

The contrived Democrat concern for "Russian meddling", that arose only after the election result was known ( the DNC was oddly indifferent to FBI warnings of repeated hacking efforts against their networks before the election) provides strong evidence of the denial, outrage and retaliation that has followed Trump's victory.

Odd isn't it that Democrats so ardently oppose Voter ID laws and, for that matter any identifiable ID requirement that would establish the legality of one's presence in this country, or access to voting procedures. Somehow their expressed concern for the integrity of our election process appears to studiously avoid the process itself. When one considers the long-established corruption of that process in cities controlled by entrenched Democrat political machines this, of curse is no surprise. Vote early and often, whether dead or alive is their tradition.

That there was Russian meddling in the election has been established, and acknowledged by both political parties. And there is no reason to believe it will not continue.

And the fact remains that the current President not only remains inappropruately silent about Russia's interference in our most important democratic process, he appears more concerned about having Putin as a buddy than confronting him about the meddling in no uncertain terms and making sure this will not happen again by imposing conditions to ensure that.

Tough guy Trump is sure able to be tough on vulnerable women and children seeking asylum at our Southern border, but he seems to turn to mush about confronting Putin on interfering in our election. Why? What does Putin have on him? I hope Mueller's investigation will help to answer that question.

Maybe Mueller should worry about what Putin has on him.

No worries, plenty of time...

"For the vast majority of federal crimes, the charge has to be brought within five years of when the crime was committed. The grand jury indictment is the official charging document, so what that means is that the indictment has to be returned by the grand jury within the five-year period."

https://www.whitecollarcrimeresources.com/how-long-can-the-federal-government-investigate-you.html

Thanks for the info. Didn't know there was a 5 year limit.

Russian and earlier Soviet efforts to influence public opinion attending our elections has been going on for generations - as have similar efforts by the British and, episodically, the French and Germans. The United States has reciprocated with its own organized efforts. There is nothing new about any of this except perhaps for some new techniques in the current IT age. All competing major world powers have worked hard to influence political outcomes in states that have the potential to affect their interests - throughout the modern era in history.

Such efforts (what the hell is "meddling anyway ?) are part of the background of international relations. They are by no means the most important issues between competing nations. There are many other far more important matters affecting the collisions of national interests and ambitions in modern political life, and that is a factor in our relations with Russia as well. Trump's interest in creating a more pragmatic relationship with Russia to advance our interests in the Middle East and elsewhere is entirely appropriate.

The sudden hysteria about "meddling" is something I find amusing and very ironic. I can't help but suspect this is a part of the derangement. anger and denial, that beset Democrats, their Candidate and organized political supporters, when they discovered, to their great surprise, that the voters had seen through their pretenses and had rejected their candidate and the policies they had been pushing on the nation for the previous eight years.

The shrill repetition of the "meddling" accusation, unaccompanied as it is by any specifics about actions taken and the effects on the election, attests to the derangement of Democrat politicians and functionaries on this matter. They appear to be able to accept the evident fact that they lost the election, and the American public has chosen a different team. The fact that many elements of the media appear to accept this appears to be a reflection of the polarization that is spreading in the country.

Such a patriot George, such a patriot.

I am that. However it has little to do with the issue at hand. One only needs to understand a little of history.

It's abundantly obvious that you cannot address Trump's avoidance of confronting Putin about the election meddling, and his, instead, coziing up to Putin seeking some sort of chumminess.

Choosing to throw up smokescreens of diversion by talking about what various governments do, or how Democrats are still bemoaning the loss oif the election, all of which is irrelevant when it comes to uderstanding why our current President shrinks from asserting our country's authority and strength in protecting our national interests from Russian tampering, reveals you really aren't able to defend him.

Russia is an enemy of the United States, and our security requires that our President establish far more than a "pragmatic relationship" with Putin to keep him in check, at least as much as possible. Instead, we have Trump admiring and fawning over this brutal dictator and clearly seeking to be his chum. Unfortunately, this makes him, not a chum, but, rather, Putin's chump, and consequently puts our country in jeopardy.

Trump is obviously hiding a lot--anyone seen his tax returns yet?. He has good reason to fear what Mueller's investigation might reveal about him.
But voters should welcome it. We need the truth about Trump.

Good, I'm please you are willing to begin refreshing yourself on history, I suggest your start with 20th century world history.

Would you call Obama's whispered reassurances to Dimitri Medvedev, then Putin's Proxy in the Russian government, asking him to "please tell Vladimir that I will have much more flexibility (to accommodate him) after the coming (midterm) election, "cozing up" (sic) or "seeking some sort of chumminess?

Russia is not an ally, indeed it sees it interests in diluting US power in some areas of the world. In others it sees things differently. The relations among large world powers, including the U.S., the European Powers, China, Japan, India, Iran, Turkey , and several others are a complex mosaic of interconnecting currents , and no connection between any two of these can be taken independently of all the others.

What I wrote is neither a smokescreen or a diversion. It is historical fact.

I found Trump's predecessor to be far more "fawning" (sic) than Trump could ever be with his apology tour through the Middle East and unseemly bowing to the emperor of Japan, the Saudi King and others. Worse his negotiating style and cautionary pronouncements to rivals were mostly weak and flaccid - at least based on the results attained. Consider the "red line" fiasco regarding Assad's use of chemical weapons against his people in Syria: the difference with Trump is stark.

If Mueller is building a case against Trump there is no evidence of it yet -- after more than a year he has only got evidence of eight year old Misdeeds by Manafort and a couple of apparently coerced guilty pleas for lying to FBI investigators from former associates. that. it appears. will likely be reversed. Meanwhile his investigation team and the leadership of the FBI are mired in evidence of vengeful bias and corruption. So far nothing to brag about there. Indeed it is becoming an embarrassment to those who started it.