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Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

 
 
coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2018 10:26 pm
@glitterbag,
Quote:
I'm trying to keep fellow Americans from ridicule and attacks in Foreign Countries.

Then get Islam the Hell out of those other countries. Is the rest of the world as violent as the Left and its main ally?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2018 10:27 pm
@TheCobbler,
That was a given when dumbass Trump implemented his tariffs. He used his executive powers to screw everybody, and most don't even know they've been penetrated - in their wallets.
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2018 10:37 pm
@coldjoint,
Get thee to a physician. Do you honest to God think you made any freaking sense at all? Face it, you are nothing more than a provocateur. I doubt you are an American citizen . But it really doesn't matter, wherever you are, you are still you.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2018 10:52 pm
@glitterbag,
Quote:
, wherever you are, you are still you.

Names from you again. My character is not the topic. Why do you have to be told that constantly?

Maybe you need the doctor, maybe he can help.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Wed 27 Jun, 2018 10:56 pm
@coldjoint,
What name do you imagine I called you? What? from your lips to God's ear.
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revelette1
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2018 08:19 am
@RABEL222,
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Sent this great! A German knows more about what's going on in the states than a trumpian us citizen. No wonder we are so screwed up
.

Well, haven't you heard? Trump supporters are super elitist, so I guess really out of touch with the rest of the country. Or does it have a different meaning now?



I agree with you, we are screwed and I am not sure there will any hope left at all come mid-terms. I mean what is the point. With Kennedy resigning and Trump in charge and the republicans controlling the house and senate; we will get another far right idiot for the Supreme Court Justice.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2018 11:06 am
@TheCobbler,
Why aren't machines doing that work, why do people still have to do it?
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2018 11:12 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The media here in the states has been on a non-stop opioids reporting fest for the last couple of years, Obama talked about it, that's how long it's been a problem. I'm a pot smoker and I live in CO, we haven't had the same level of issues other states have, that's not to say it doesn't exist here just not in the numbers other places have seen. Maybe if more states legalized pot, they would see less issues with the harsher drugs. I don't like RX drugs because of their addictive properties and take as little as needed when they are prescribed.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2018 11:13 am
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

Why aren't machines doing that work, why do people still have to do it?


Robots aren't there yet.

https://www.agriculture.com/news/technology/more-than-robotics-is-needed-to-solve-farm-labor-shortage

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“It’s gotta replace the person who’s gonna pick up that head [of lettuce], know what size it is, know how dense it should be, peel the delicate leaves off it, decide what box it should go in, wrap it in a bag, tape it, and make it presentable to the store. That’s the hardest piece right now. We’ve made a lot of progress – from planting to cutting – but it kind of stops at cutting,” said Antle. He says robotics makers are not used to accounting for field conditions.

“There is (robotic) equipment that exists that can do it, but as soon as you tell them you want to weld it onto a machine and put it out in the field and it’s gonna get rained on and worked 24 hours a day and get banged around every day — you realize it’s not quite there yet,” said Antle.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2018 11:16 am
@maporsche,
That's the sort of question you'd expect from a child.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2018 11:16 am
@maporsche,
I use robots in the general term of mechanized machines, sorry for the confusion.

We have the engineering skills to build machines for the fields, there are already many types of foods that are picked only with machines. The tech exists, it's why it isn't being used is the question.
maporsche
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2018 11:26 am
@Baldimo,
I wasn't criticizing your use of robots or machines. In fact, I think you used machines and then I said robots. That's not my point.

If you read the article, it will detail that machines/robots are not at the point where we need them to be for MANY crops. Some? Sure. But many still need good 'ole human beings.

But that tech, when it's available, will be expensive, whereas you can pay labor $10 bucks an hour.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2018 12:04 pm
@revelette1,
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Or does it have a different meaning now?

Considering racism and bigotry have different meanings and endless applications by progressives I see no problem with Trump joining in on the fun. His definition of "elite" is not of out of touch people. I believe he called the American patriots elite.

Progressives are not patriotic in any sense of the word.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2018 12:08 pm
https://c1.legalinsurrection.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/A-Time-Cov-600-LI.jpg
https://legalinsurrection.com/2018/06/branco-cartoon-out-of-time/
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2018 12:35 pm
@maporsche,
Without really putting any study on cost/benefit of machinery vs human labor, it's difficult to tell which is more efficient. I remember many years ago, my brother who is an opthalmologist asked me if it would be beneficial to buy laser equipment for eye surgery. Based on how much he could charge for the surgery vs the cost of equipment, I told him it was a good investment.
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2018 03:58 pm
How the G.O.P. Built Donald Trump’s Cages
By The Editorial Board
June 23, 2018

President Trump may have caved on his child-separation policy, after a public outcry that included significant members of his own coalition. But rather than waste time on self-congratulation, Republicans who spoke up this time should be asking themselves why a president of their party felt he was enforcing its principles by breaking apart families and caging children.

Not so long ago — less than a handful of years, even — you could still find prominent Republican voices willing to speak gently about immigration. (Remember Jeb Bush in 2014 calling illegal immigration an “act of love”?) But many, many other party leaders have been venturing ever deeper into the dank jungles of nativist populism for quite some time, exploiting the politics of fear and resentment. Mr. Trump did not invent Republican demonization of “the other” — it came about in two ways: gradually, and then all at once.

For a number of reasons — economic, cultural and demographic — immigration has been a growing concern among Republican base voters for decades. From the early 1990s to 2000, the conservative firebrand Pat Buchanan kept the Republican Party on its toes, running for president three times with an explicitly isolationist message. But it was during the George W. Bush years that anti-immigrant sentiment started to become more central to the party’s identity.

Mr. Bush made comprehensive immigration reform a priority of his second term. Multiple Senate bills emerged, built on the pillars of border security, a guest-worker program and a path to legalization for undocumented immigrants. But conservatives in the House rejected the idea of legalization and instead focused on border security. Conservative talk radio took up the cause, smacking Mr. Bush as squishy on immigration. The very concept of comprehensive reform became anathema to many on the right.

President Barack Obama also took a run at reform. And as with Bush 43, his efforts shattered when they collided with the Republican hard-liners in the House. The Great Recession that Mr. Obama inherited did nothing to quell nativist resentment among working-class whites, and the rise of the Tea Party pulled the Republican Party further to the right, with zealots on immigration setting the tone. Politicians who did not follow risked banishment.

Just ask Senator Marco Rubio, the Florida Republican, who saw his fledgling political career almost snuffed out by his flirtation with comprehensive reform. In early 2013, Mr. Rubio joined a bipartisan group of colleagues, nicknamed the Gang of Eight, to hammer out a grand compromise. This was in the wake of Mitt Romney’s presidential loss in 2012, after which the Republican Party briefly decided that one of its principal goals was to improve its image with Hispanic voters. The resulting plan would have done everything from beefing up border security to overhauling visa categories to promoting a merit-based immigration system. It also provided for the legalization of undocumented immigrants, which meant conservatives hated it. That June, the bill cleared the Senate by an impressive 68-to-32 vote. But John Boehner, then the House speaker, refused to bring it up for a vote in the Republican-controlled lower chamber.

For his efforts, Mr. Rubio became a pariah to the Tea Party voters who had propelled him to office three years earlier. Soon, he was denying that he had ever really supported the bill.

The immigration moves Mr. Obama made on his own — such as instituting protections for Dreamers and expanding deportation deferments — further enraged conservatives. Party leaders fanned those flames, accusing Mr. Obama of being imperious and “lawless.” In one bit of twisted logic, Mr. Boehner argued that the House couldn’t possibly take up reform legislation because it couldn’t trust Mr. Obama to carry out said legislation. Thus, the battle lines continued to harden.

Along the way, Republican candidates continued to play to their base’s darker impulses. On the whole, the rhetoric was subtler than that of the current president, but now and again it turned Trumpian. Recall the remarks in 2013 of Representative Steve King, Republican of Iowa, painting Dreamers as drug mules with “calves the size of cantaloupes because they’re hauling 75 pounds of marijuana across the desert.” Or the boast in 2011 of Representative Mo Brooks, Republican of Alabama: “I’ll do anything short of shooting them” — “them,” of course, being undocumented immigrants.

Nor was Mr. Trump the first Republican to promote the idea that within every immigrant lurks a murderer or terrorist. In 2010, Representative Louie Gohmert, Republican of Texas, ran around warning of what came to be mocked as the great “terror baby” plot. As Mr. Gohmert told it, radical Islamists were plotting to impregnate droves of young women, who would infiltrate the United States to give birth here. The babies would be shipped back home for terrorist training, then return as adults to wreak havoc on an unsuspecting America.

Time and again, given the choice between soothing and stoking nativist animus, Republican lawmakers chose the low road. By the late Obama years, a skeptical-verging-on-hostile view of immigration had become a core tenet of party orthodoxy — like opposing gun control or denouncing Obamacare.

There is no question that Mr. Trump inherited a broken immigration system. There is also no question that he prefers ranting about its brokenness to making even a token effort at fixing it.

And he has even less interest in addressing the root causes of migrant families flocking to the border. In 2016, the Department of Homeland Security reported, “More individuals sought affirmative asylum from the Northern Triangle Countries (El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras) in the last three years than in the prior 15 years combined.” Between February and March of this year, border arrests and denials of entry took their biggest jump in five years, largely because of migrants from those same nations.

None of this is surprising considering the rampant violence in the region — in 2016, Honduras and El Salvador ranked among the five nations with the highest rates of violent death. People are desperate to escape, no matter what they may face at the U.S. border.

Helping these nations stabilize themselves is key to reducing the flow of asylum seekers. But Mr. Trump does not like complexity or long-term strategizing. He prefers casting blame and making threats. He has repeatedly vowed to cut off aid to El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras unless they stem the flow of drugs and people into the United States.

In the administration’s budget proposals, it has sought deep cuts in aid to these countries — something Congress has wisely ignored. Removing a financial lifeline from nations already in chaos is hardly a recipe for progress.

At the same time, Mr. Trump’s move to kick out as many people who are from these countries as possible threatens to overwhelm nations ill equipped for such an influx. And without the money that many of the immigrants living here regularly send back to their families, the economies of these countries would further crumble. (In 2016, 17 percent of El Salvador’s gross domestic product came from remittances from abroad.)

America’s immigration mess is not going to be cleaned up anytime soon. The House’s efforts last week to pass legislation dissolved into squabbling. Maybe leadership can salvage the situation and squeak through some uneasy compromise between Republican moderates and conservatives. But conservatives are terrified that the base will punish them if they concede even an inch. Speaker Paul Ryan, with one foot out the door, has no juice. And pretty much everyone assumes that nothing will move through the Senate anyway.

For his part, Mr. Trump is planning fresh crackdowns in the run-up to the midterms, to reassure his base that he has not lost his resolve. If anything, given the fragility of his ego, last week’s flip-flop will make him all the more desperate to prove his strength.

More immediately, there is the matter of the 2,300-plus migrant children who need to be reunified with their parents as soon as possible. It remains unclear how the White House plans to handle that logistical challenge. Mr. Trump is more a breaker than a fixer.

Whether out of moral queasiness or political fear, a smattering of Republican lawmakers chose to say, “Enough is enough” to this particular Trump atrocity. The question now is whether the conference will learn anything useful from this episode. Dehumanizing undocumented immigrants may be one of Mr. Trump’s signature outrages, but it is hardly his only one. There is also his politicization of law enforcement, his attempts to undermine public faith in the democratic process, his attacks on the press, his family’s suspect business dealings and his habitual lying — so this is unlikely to be the last time the president puts members of his party in an uncomfortable, and perhaps untenable, position.

The weight of this moment should be recognized. Mr. Trump’s capitulation was not a given. With a little less media scrutiny, fewer heartbreaking photos and fewer calls from angry voters, tent cities could have kept on filling with traumatized children. Congressional Republicans, even last week’s conscientious objectors, would have borne a significant share of responsibility for that disgrace as they bear significant responsibility for the Trumpism undergirding it.

It takes work for America to hold on to its values. Individuals must push back when those values are threatened — especially when that threat comes from the commander in chief. Republican lawmakers should feel this burden more than most. Having done so much to pave the way for Mr. Trump and his immigration policies, they now owe it to the American people to help keep him in check.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/23/opinion/sunday/donald-trump-gop-immigration-cages.html
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2018 04:00 pm
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaViWwpUYAAXtm7.png
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2018 04:16 pm
@firefly,
To think illegal immigration has no effect on US citizen wages is naive.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2018 04:52 pm
@firefly,
And salaries are getting higher. You are blaming the rich which globalist interests are.
That means you support the inequality. Because you clearly support globalists.

Which means your cartoon is a calculated lie to create victims you have completely manufactured by applying Communist ideas(income equality) to capitalism.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2018 06:05 pm
@firefly,
From money.cnn.com:
America's wealth gap is getting even bigger.
While wages for low- and middle-income workers have begun to recover, wealth inequality has still climbed to new heights, according to a new survey from the Federal Reserve which conducts a checkup of the nation's finances every three years.

In 2016, median household net worth improved across all income brackets -- up 16% overall since 2013 -- but those on the higher end of the income spectrum did the best. The top 10% of earners saw their household net worth increase 40% over the three-year period, according to the Fed.
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