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Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

 
 
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2018 01:19 pm
@Blickers,
Quote:
Well the first room had a series of cages that look like a lot like dog kennels in which people had recently arrived and been put into them.


Who asked them to come? Beggars cannot be choosers. And do Democrats really think supporting illegal immigration is going to win them votes? Laughing Laughing Laughing
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2018 02:11 pm
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Alec Baldwin Is Sure He Would Win if He Ran for President: ‘Hands Down, I Would Win’


There you go. You have 2 1/2 years. Hit it!!!
http://observer.com/2018/06/alec-baldwin-donald-trump-president-2020-howard-stern-video/
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oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2018 03:57 pm
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:
At the 3 minute 42 second mark, this is what Representative Merkley said of the processing center in McAllen, Texas:
Well the first room had a series of cages that look like a lot like dog kennels in which people had recently arrived and been put into them. They were very crowded, the individuals had space blankets-so you had all these silver space blankets, no mattresses-and varied people looking all distressed and upset, a number of women holding children in their arms.

And then adjacent to that is a very, very large warehouse with much larger cages. And in those the children have already been separated away from their parents. And in one cage there were children, young boys, who were being lined up for food. And they started with the smallest in front. So you had a little toddler-I don't know he must have been four or five years old-up through youth that were sixteen or seventeen. And some of those may have been unaccompanied, others were undoubtedly taken away from their families-for families that are seeking asylum.
Here are some pictures of the center in 2014 when Obama was in charge:
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/immigration/2014/06/18/arizona-immigrant-children-holding-area-tour/10780449/
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2018 07:17 pm
@oralloy,
So, does Baldwin got your vote? Laughing Laughing Laughing
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2018 07:28 pm
@coldjoint,
Not unless he is strongly in favor of the Second Amendment.
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Blickers
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2018 09:42 pm
@oralloy,
Quote oralloy:


OK. And what does that article from the Arizona Central say? Here's a quote:
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The Nogales facility is a way station where the children are identified, examined for health problems by the U.S. Public Health Service, vaccinated and then moved to other facilities in Texas, Oklahoma and California until they are placed with relatives already in the country to await their day in Immigration Court.
So they stayed there for a short period of time and then soon were placed with relatives in the USA. Not the ideal scenario, but somebody is looking to put them with family to take care of them. Now, they aren't looking to do anything with them except send them back while their parents stay in the country facing prison. That's a big difference.

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The tour dispelled rumors of ill treatment. The CBP agents in the building seem to be genuinely compassionate in their interactions with the children. The facility is clean and air-conditioned.
The kids were not in cages. They were in a building the size of a football field. That's a big difference from being put in a small cage. And again-temporary for a few weeks. The kids knew they're going to be with family soon. Not now. Now they are away from their parents for years, perhaps.

Was it ideal in 2014? No. Was it hugely better in 2014 than what is happening to the kids now? According to your own source, yes.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 12 Jun, 2018 11:42 pm
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:
Quote:
The tour dispelled rumors of ill treatment. The CBP agents in the building seem to be genuinely compassionate in their interactions with the children. The facility is clean and air-conditioned.
The kids were not in cages. They were in a building the size of a football field. That's a big difference from being put in a small cage.
There is fencing in the pictures. Is there any reason to think that the fenced areas are smaller now than they were then?
http://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/Phoenix/GenericImages/2014/06/18/1403129833004-phxdc5-6fsg3itx2rn82v0ojhh-original.jpghttp://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/Phoenix/Phoenix/2014/06/18/1403120782000-phxdc5-6fse5sangjbm29vhjh3-original.jpg
http://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/Phoenix/Phoenix/2014/06/18/1403131399003-phxdc5-6fsg3kpsfue2uu0wjhh-original.jpghttp://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/Phoenix/GenericImages/2014/06/18/1403129833008-phxdc5-6fsg3l3ir3b1nfylkjhh-original.jpg
Blickers
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jun, 2018 01:12 am
@oralloy,
Quote oralloy:
Quote:
There is fencing in the pictures. Is there any reason to think that the fenced areas are smaller now than they were then?


Yes. The fenced in area appears to be about the size of a football field. The cages the Congressman described would seem to be much smaller. The kids then had not just blankets, but actual mattresses-they don't have those now, according to Congressman Merkley. Not great mattresses by any measure, but a genuine cushion between themselves and the floor. The kids are taken out of the fenced in area three times a week to play in the playground and also can take a shower. No indication anything like that is going on now. And the process back then in 2014 appeared to last only a few weeks, with the kids sent to family that they might have already in the US. As it now, there is no goal to get the kids with some relatives in the US-they are staying here until they figure out what to do with them, while the parents get prosecuted. That's a huge difference.

Not saying it was any country club in 2014, but much more humane considering the circumstances.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jun, 2018 01:58 am
@Blickers,
I doubt orally has ever had to care for children or animals. We take better care of dogs and cats than Trump and Sessions do for these innocent children. It's horrific......perhaps we can convince people like oral to start thinking of these children as unaborted fetus? I guess that won't work, they have been born and thats the only thing these faux constitutionalists care about.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jun, 2018 03:27 am
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:
I doubt orally has ever had to care for children or animals. We take better care of dogs and cats than Trump and Sessions do for these innocent children. It's horrific......
Strange how you don't condemn Obama for having been in charge of the same facility.

glitterbag wrote:
perhaps we can convince people like oral to start thinking of these children as unaborted fetus? I guess that won't work, they have been born and thats the only thing these faux constitutionalists care about.
When the only argument that you have to offer is a straw man about your opponent, that is a sign that you should reevaluate your position.
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Blickers
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jun, 2018 10:49 am
@oralloy,
Quote oralloy:
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I doubt that Trump will allow them to be freed into the US.

Since freeing them in the US isn't an option, what's the alternative? Turning them loose in the Mexican desert?
Who says it's not an option to go back to fixing them up with relatives in the US? Trump initiated the policy, he can rescind it at any time.

A better question would be: Considering that the Trump policy has resulted in increasing numbers of children in holding facilities cut off from their families and kept in facilities possibly for years, why don't they drop this scandalously inhumane policy and revert to fixing the children up with relatives in the US within a few weeks?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jun, 2018 10:51 am
@oralloy,
You are as shallow as Trump. No more needs to be said.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jun, 2018 11:03 am
@cicerone imposter,
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No more needs to be said.

What a relief. Please keep that promise. Laughing
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jun, 2018 12:09 pm
@coldjoint,
We achieved justice for the Lockerbie victims though. That was nice.
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jun, 2018 02:30 pm
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jun, 2018 02:36 pm
Kim Jong Un Will Probably Keep Nukes Despite Trump Talks, Says Russian Senator
https://www.yahoo.com/news/kim-jong-un-probably-keep-112103041.html

"Trump Talks" an oxymoron...Trump can't talk, he blathers instead.
 

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