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Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

 
 
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Tue 21 Jul, 2015 09:19 am
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jul, 2015 09:09 am
@coldjoint,
More importantly, how much does the 1% who pay no taxes benefit from that misappropriation of your taxes?
coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jul, 2015 09:20 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
More importantly,


You have no idea of what is important.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jul, 2015 10:04 am
@bobsal u1553115,
1%? There are for more people on the lower end of the tax brackets that do not pay taxes.
parados
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jul, 2015 10:12 am
@Baldimo,
Yes, the number is about 7.9% pay no taxes. Most of them are elderly or disabled.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/09/18/who-doesnt-pay-taxes-in-charts/
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jul, 2015 10:32 am
@parados,
Do you have a link that actually works? I think you are forgetting those who get more back then they pay in. That is a larger % than 7.9% you want to claim.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jul, 2015 10:39 am
@parados,
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/09/18/who-doesnt-pay-taxes-in-charts/

Quote:
Only about 7.9 percent of households are not paying any federal taxes at all. That's usually because they're either unemployed or on disability or students or are very poor.


it would be interesting to see more current numbers though the charts and sources are useful for a historical view
parados
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jul, 2015 10:45 am
@Baldimo,
Why do you think it is greater than 7.9%? You are forgetting that personal income taxes make up less than 50% of Federal revenues. You want to include income tax credits while ignoring all other taxes paid by those people.


parados
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jul, 2015 10:48 am
@ehBeth,
The 2011 numbers came out in 2014.

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/49440
ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jul, 2015 10:51 am
@parados,
now I just need a nerd to make those pretty charts and diagrams Very Happy
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jul, 2015 10:59 am
@parados,
I do indeed as their tax credits exceed what they pay into the system. They pay very little out and get more back then they pay in.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jul, 2015 11:05 am
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

1%? There are for more people on the lower end of the tax brackets that do not pay taxes.


the problem for you with saying this is that every panhandler who buys a burger or cigarette pays taxes

you're trying to qualify your position later on and getting tripped up as a result of what you originally posted
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jul, 2015 11:58 am
@ehBeth,
Not really, as my intent was clear and I have stated this position many many times.
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jul, 2015 12:28 pm
@Baldimo,
No, that is your unsubstantiated claim. It really has nothing to do with reality.

Let's look at a fictional family of 4 making $30,000 a year.
If they use the standard deductions, they will have an AGI of about $4750 which would give them a 10% income tax of $475.
They would then be eligible for a EITC of $4046.
They would have paid in 2175 for FICA on the wages.

That means just using those numbers they would have received $1375 more back than they paid in.

But there are several caveats before we assume the government took in less revenue than they paid in. The employer would have also paid in $2175 in FICA. Which would mean the government took in $800 in taxes based on the family. Do we count the total FICA or not?

But if we look at the family, their AGI was less than $5000 dollars. According to the IRS about 8% of filed returns had an AGI of $5000 or less. Not all of those will have filed for the EITC. But families earning more than $30,000 would be eligible for the EITC so let's look at a family of 4 making $40,000.

A family of 4 making $40,000 will have about $14750 for an AGI. We will call it $1475 in income taxes and ignore the little bit that would be taxed at 15% instead of 10%. They will have paid $2900 in FICA. Because of the sliding scale their EITC has been reduced to $1929. That means they pay $2446 in Federal income and FICA taxes after we subtract EITC.

A family of 4 making $35,000 would pay a little over $500 in income tax and FICA after EITC while having an AGI of about $9750.


Bottom line is the 7.9% number seems very realistic since not everyone at the lowest incomes earns the EITC credit. There are about 17% of tax returns that would even be eligible for the EITC and many of those would still end up paying taxes.


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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jul, 2015 07:28 pm
GOP’s Favorability Rating Takes a Negative Turn
Republicans Less Positive About Their Party
http://www.people-press.org/2015/07/23/gops-favorability-rating-takes-a-negative-turn/

http://www.people-press.org/files/2015/07/7-23-2015-1-55-09-PM.png

Took them long enough to figure it out...
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jul, 2015 07:40 pm
Feds Push Wisconsin to Review Excessive Health Insurance Rate Increases: Citizen Action Calls for Public Hearings on Large Premium Hikes
http://www.citizenactionwi.org/feds_push_wisconsin_to_review_excessive_health_insurance_rate_increases_citizen_action_calls_for_public_hearings_on_large_premium_hikes
coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jul, 2015 08:07 pm
@TheCobbler,
Your source
Quote:
We Bring People Together Across Issue Lines
Citizen Action unites over 100 dues-paying affiliates in the fight for a better future for our families and communities. We also work with many organizations across the broader "progressive coalition." Our partners include the state's leading labor, senior citizen, environmental, community, interfaith, women's, family farm, teacher's, and civil rights organizations and Native American tribes, including: Action Wisconsin, AFSCME, Clean Wisconsin, Hmong/American Friendship Association, Milwaukee LGBT Community Center, Menominee Indian Tribe of Wisconsin, Planned Parenthood of Wisconsin, Voces de la Frontera, Wisconsin State AFL-CIO, Wisconsin Education Association Council (WEAC), and the Wisconsin Farmers Union. Citizen Action brings together these diverse groups to form a united front and work together around common goals.


No bias there.






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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jul, 2015 09:19 pm
Does Social Security affect the deficit? Here's the answer, from Ronald Reagan. (Same goes for Medicaid.)
https://www.facebook.com/brandon.weber.upw/videos/869411716454666/
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 23 Jul, 2015 09:48 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
Did you forget the question? How many Democrats benefit from that defense contract?

Based on the vote-downs, it appears that Liberals find the question extremely inconvenient.
 

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