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Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2018 07:58 pm
@TheCobbler,
So true. The best lawyers are staying away, knowing that getting close to Trump can destroy their career. That's a high price to pay to represent this president - normally a high demand job.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2018 07:58 pm
@coldjoint,
Rasmussen has a well-known Republican tilt.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2018 08:04 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
Rasmussen has a well-known Republican tilt.

10 points? Uh uh.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2018 08:11 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
The best lawyers are staying away


Can we get some names?
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oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2018 08:44 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Rasmussen has a well-known Republican tilt.

So do the American voters. So all in all it results in accurate poling results.
Blickers
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2018 10:20 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote Baldimo:
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The whole point of SS was to pay into a system that would provide for you later in life. This focus and change to paying for current retirees with current payments became a thing when they realized SS was never going to be able to provide for future people. We are still using a WWII era system for retirement planning. This is why I call out your side as the Conservatives in this debate, it's your refusal to change or even modify an old system.

Social Security has provided an income for older people since 1940. Before that, people either had the money on hand when they retired, or-way too often-were on charity or living on the street, dying too early because they couldn't afford medical care. It was an advance in living standards in this country, one which is to be expected as the industrial society took hold and increased the national wealth steadily. You and your conservative colleagues are perfectly happy to see the older people go back to the way it was in the early 1900s, forced to live in back alleys until bad health caught up with them and their misery is ended.

Who are you fooling? Your real goal is to back to the Depression days and if you are old and poor, tough luck gramps.

The problem with the elderly is that they let the loudmouths on Fox and the radio get them all worried about who's going to the public bathroom with them and similar trifles, and no attention to the fact that the GOP has been working to pull the financial rug out from underneath them for years and yet the older voters keep voting them in.
Blickers
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2018 10:26 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote Baldimo:
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A 70 year old [Social Security] system is going to work perfect in this day and age of the internet not to mention in another 30 years..

Every plan needs some adjustment over time, as Social Security and Medicare have been adjusted over time to meet the goals they were developed to address. However, you and the other conservatives do not want to address the goals of having some modest retirement income guaranteed and health care for all the elderly, you want to turn it into a welfare system for only the very poorest and tell everyone else they're on their own. That's not adjusting it,that's downgrading Social Security and Medicare from universal insurance plans to a welfare system for the poor, which we can count on the conservatives to try to cut in the next budget.

Quote Baldimo:
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Old people need to shut up and just vote for their stuff, we don't care about the rest of your ideals as long as you vote for SS and Medicaid.

Seniors are perfectly entitled to voice their opinions on social issues, Democrats have always stood for that. But seniors should start prioritizing their needs when they go to the voting booth. If they are consevatives and they insist they don't like interracial marriage, they have the right to say so. If they don't like legalized marijuana, they have the right to say so. But they also have to stop and think which is the more important-interracial marriage, legalized marijuana, or the fact that the GOP wants to take that Social Security check you've been contributing towards for decades and deny you getting it because you're not poor enough. Same thing with your Medicare.

Most people, when they stop and think things through, realize that maintaining their financial well-being and medical care are more important than who is marrying who. The goal of conservatives-disappointingly successful so far-is to get the seniors so stirred up about relatively trivial social issues that they ignore the Re;publicans are getting ready to stick a knife in their back-if fact, they have already tried under Bush 43.

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Blickers
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2018 10:50 pm
@oralloy,
Quote oralloy:
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That is not the goal of the people who want to privatize Social Security.

It is true that these people want to dismantle the government run system and replace it. But they don't want to just turn the elderly out onto the streets. They instead want a system where everyone is able to have a retirement account without the government in charge of everything.

Personally I am not convinced that they have a better system. I believe that some people would end up with little retirement income if their investments did not pan out, and before I agreed to their system I'd want to see some protections against this.


The trouble with that is the Social Security system payouts depend on the the income coming in from people who are presently working. As Bush 41 said, (father of Bush 43 who didn't seem to get his father's message), it's an agreement between generations. The retired people now were paying for the older generation when they were working, now they need the payouts from the working generation today.

To take even a small portion of those payouts and divert them to private accounts would send the system spiralling downhill in short order. They try to call it a "reform" but it really is a dismantling.

And the calls for "means testing" are another disguise, for it moves a government funded retirement system that everyone paid into and had the right to look forward to into just another welfare system-the people who paid into it will never see the benefit unless they are dirt poor when they retire.

Shortly after that, we can expect conservatives to make cuts and move to eliminate the retirement system entirely. End result = old people in cardboard boxes.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2018 10:55 pm
@oralloy,
So that's why Democrats and independents both outnumber Republicans and why Hillary got 2.8 million more votes than Trump. And why the country consistently hates his agenda?
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2018 11:00 pm
@MontereyJack,
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Hillary got 2.8 million


Killary's votes were most likely illegals voting in every corrupt major city in this country. Nice try, no cigar.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 3 Apr, 2018 11:05 pm
@coldjoint,
Trump has had more than a year to offer proof and there still is none. NONE. You may believe in conspiracy theories like that. The American lpeople have more sense.
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2018 02:44 am
Trump's Family Trips Cost Taxpayers Nearly As Much In A Month As Obama's Cost In A Whole Year
https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2017/02/22/trumps-family-trips-cost-taxpayers-nearly-as-much-in-a-month-as-obamas-cost-in-a-whole-year/
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2018 04:07 am
https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29597487_475828589498841_3841691953980678529_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=e1b324c7b7575f656b419334878ffacf&oe=5B38ACDA
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2018 04:20 am
Rebecca Dallet beats Michael Screnock in race for Wisconsin Supreme Court
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2018/04/03/rebecca-dallet-beats-michael-screnock-race-wisconsin-supreme-court/477978002/

This is the first time in 23 years that a liberal candidate who wasn't an incumbent won a seat on the high court in Wisconsin.

Another welcomed sign of the impending end of the GOP and their lies.

Vote BLUE!!!! Smile
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2018 10:56 am
@TheCobbler,
I hope this will be the trend all across our country.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2018 12:28 pm
People forget that WI has not voted Republican for president since 1984. It has always been a blue state. The turnout for the election was less than 20%. That a Republican is governor is the result of Democratic policies failing and one liberal judge will not fix that.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2018 12:36 pm
@coldjoint,
Impeach Republican governor of WI.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2018 12:51 pm
@MontereyJack,
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Impeach Republican governor of WI.

Why? Juvenile prattle is juvenile prattle.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2018 01:04 pm
@MontereyJack,
They already tried to get rid of him in a special election, it failed. How has he effected your life, do you live there?
 

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