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Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

 
 
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Wed 29 Nov, 2017 03:24 pm
A top senator just introduced a slew of new names into the Senate's Russia probe
https://amp.businessinsider.com/senate-russia-investigation-dianne-feinstein-documents-carter-page-2017-11

Republican traitors are going DOWN...
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 29 Nov, 2017 03:27 pm
@TheCobbler,
Thanks for my laugh for today. Scalp Trump; that's what defines him. He has no brains. http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/bruce-springsteen-calls-donald-trump-a-moron-w441761
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 29 Nov, 2017 03:49 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
oralloy wrote:
I'd like to see a cite before I accept a claim that the *semi-auto-only* version was ever intended as a weapon of war.

This is immaterial,

If you want to claim that a semi-auto-only AR-15 is a weapon of war, a cite to back up your claim is very much material.


Cycloptichorn wrote:
and what more, contradictory to gun-nut messaging. You guys just can't seem to get your story straight on full-autos; one minute, it'll be 'they're hard to hit with so it's ridiculous that they are banned, they should be legal;' the next minute, it's 'full-autos are weapons of war and semis are not, so there's a real difference between the two.'

Both claims seem to be true. Rifle rounds on full-auto require a fixed mount for reasonable accuracy. There is a real difference between full-auto and semi-auto.

What's the problem?


Cycloptichorn wrote:
The recent events in Vegas show that this is an meaningless difference anyway, as a semi-auto can fire just as fast as a full-auto and is just as deadly if not more so.

A semi-auto with a bump stock is hardly comparable to a normal semi-auto.

The NRA has already given the government permission to write regulations restricting bump stocks as a form of full-auto.


Cycloptichorn wrote:
The fact of the matter is that everything I wrote was accurate: the M-16 was an adaptation of the AR-15, which was a rifle marketed to militaries.

Perhaps a full-auto version of the AR-15 was marketed to militaries. But it is unfair to lump semi-auto-only AR-15s in as having been marketed to militaries.


Cycloptichorn wrote:
And it should be banned,

You can't give a single good reason for banning the semi-auto-only version. I know this because no such reason exists.

This is Constitutionally significant too. Laws are only permitted to impact a Constitutional right if the government can demonstrate a compelling reason for having the law.


Cycloptichorn wrote:
as it's nothing more than a weapon of warfare and toy for wannabe soldier gun-nuts.

That is incorrect. It is used for hunting, self defense, and competitive sport.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 29 Nov, 2017 03:51 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
You can't mass murder people with a bow and arrow but does that really matter? To take your message of "weapon of war" we must follow through will all weapons of war, their ability to kill the masses shouldn't matter since most deaths by guns are not committed by AR-15 type guns. You just want to pick the cases that back your dislike of specific guns, which will turn into all guns. This type of BS and false claim about "weapons of war" proves it.

Literally none of that logically follows, it's just stream of consciousness ranting.

His logic looks OK to me. If being a weapon of war is significant for one device, it should be significant for other devices as well.


Cycloptichorn wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
As for your uneducated opinion on the AR-15 and it's use as a hunting weapon, you prove you don't know what you are talking about.

That's the opposite of the truth. The AR-15 is not a good weapon for hunting deer unless it's been modified. A .223 is too small to reliably drop a deer in a single shot, let alone an elk.

The AR platform comes in many calibers, including calibers appropriate for elk. I've been assuming (and I'm sure Baldimo has been as well) that you are wanting to ban ARs regardless of which caliber they are chambered in.

If you are only objecting to ARs when they are chambered in .223 though, your position still doesn't make a lot of sense. There is nothing about the .223 round that would justify banning it. It is certainly true that .223 is not appropriate for deer or elk, but it is a very good varmint round.


Cycloptichorn wrote:
The fact that it's semi-auto doesn't help much imho as I've never personally hit something with a second shot that I missed with the first one, ever, even when firing a semi-auto weapon. There's really not much to recommend it over a proper long rifle.

A lot of hunters use semi-autos to soften the recoil of harsher rounds. A properly designed semi-auto can turn a harsh jab into a soft push.


Cycloptichorn wrote:
If any type of gun should be banned, it's a pistol, not a rifle, as pistols are mostly a coward's weapon and what's used in the vast majority of gun crimes.

Coward's weapon???

Police officers carry pistols. And the military issues them to officers.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 29 Nov, 2017 03:54 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
A lot of hunters use semi-autos to soften the recoil of harsher rounds.


Pussies. The bruise is part of the experience.

Cycloptichorn
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Wed 29 Nov, 2017 05:14 pm
Today I was walking to the dollar store and a man around 30 years old came up behind me about 30 paces and said, "Sir!" I did not respond. He said again, "Sir!! I still did not respo0nd. Then he said again, "Sir I am talk to you!" I turned around and looked at him. He said, "Do you believe in, Jesus?" I turned around and walked off and said, "No." He replied, "You are going to hell you ******* fa**ot." (There is no possible way he could have known I was gay.)
He kept hollering explicatives as I walked off.

THIS, is what Donald Trump has done to our country. This is his idea of "making America great again"... I called 911 and gave as detailed a description as possible of the man and left my name and phone number.

I would like to respond now... No sir, you are going to jail for hate speech and probably worse, "That this night, before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice." I will identify him in a line up if I have to. He wanted to incite violence had I spoken one word in defense I am certain he would have attacked me.

Here is some spripture for you "sir"...

Ephesians 4:29 (KJV)
Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

And another,

1 Corinthians 13:2 (KJV) And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

Comment:
Perhaps I just do not believe in YOUR Jesus...
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 29 Nov, 2017 05:56 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
Pussies. The bruise is part of the experience.

HAHA. That's funny. I've heard a lot of things said about The Hunting experience and "the bruise" isn't one of them. In fact if you age getting a bruise from shooting a standard weapon, then you aren't holding it properly, you got to keep that butt-stock in the pocket of your arm. Shooting something as light as a .223/5.56 shouldn't cause a bruise.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 29 Nov, 2017 06:01 pm
@Baldimo,
I wouldn't shoot a .223 at a deer or elk, so I agree with you there. But my .30-06 leaves me feeling sore the next day every time, even if I take care to hold it properly.

Cycloptichorn
Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 29 Nov, 2017 06:18 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
You do realize that the 30-06 was marketed as a weapon of war. In fact just like the 5.56 for the M-16, it was first sold to the military and later adopted for civilian use. You better add your gun to the banned list.

Quote:
The .30-06 Springfield cartridge (pronounced "thirty-aught-six" or "thirty-oh-six"), 7.62×63mm in metric notation and called ".30 Gov't '06" by Winchester,[3] was introduced to the United States Army in 1906 and later standardized; it remained in use until the early 1980s. The ".30" refers to the caliber of the bullet. The "06" refers to the year the cartridge was adopted—1906. It replaced the .30-03, 6mm Lee Navy, and .30-40 Krag cartridges. The .30-06 remained the U.S. Army's primary rifle and machine gun cartridge for nearly 50 years before being replaced by the 7.62×51mm NATO (commercial .308 Winchester) and 5.56×45mm NATO, both of which remain in current U.S. and NATO service. It remains a very popular sporting round, with ammunition produced by all major manufacturers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30-06_Springfield
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 29 Nov, 2017 06:25 pm
@Baldimo,
Sure do. It is a powerful weapon that should be subject to the same regulations as other powerful weapons.

Cycloptichorn
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 30 Nov, 2017 12:51 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Since you understand that the .30-06 is a hunting round, and that many other hunting weapons are of similar power, what regulations do you propose for a bolt action .30-06? A lever-action .30-06? A semi-auto-only .30-06?

And just for clarification, do you believe that a semi-auto-only AR type of rifle (regardless of the caliber of bullet that it fires) merits any restrictions beyond other semi-auto-only rifles that accept detachable magazines? Or would you impose the same restrictions equally on all semi-auto-only rifles that accept detachable magazines?

Do you believe that a semi-auto-only AR-15 that fires .223 rounds merits any restrictions beyond other semi-auto-only rifles that fire the same .223 rounds and accept detachable magazines?
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Thu 30 Nov, 2017 03:51 am
https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22221922_386275841806410_6979078799406828024_n.png?oh=becb79bf546dabe54711e63819e3df99&oe=5AA1D9C1

Our flag is only as good as our unity and respect for one another. Without democracy and justice for all, our flag has no praise and our anthems are empty and meaningless. TC
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Thu 30 Nov, 2017 04:55 am
Conservatives are desperate for dimwits to jump onto their immoral bandwagon.

Fake news, that Bruce Willis and Tina Turner are for Trump.
No one of any moral standing likes Trump.
...and Bruce Willis thinks Trump is a clown.

Bruce Willis Defending Donald Trump As ‘The Best U.S. President Ever’ Is Fake News
https://www.business2community.com/entertainment/bruce-willis-defending-donald-trump-best-u-s-president-ever-fake-news-01966062#sYJy0sgjYgYW98wb.97

No evidence that Tina Turner is thankful for Donald Trump
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2017/nov/29/dailynewsforamericanscom/no-evidence-tina-turner-thankful-donald-trump/

The only people pretending to like Trump are shyster fake Christians and scumbag politicians thinking they might be able to get rich somehow by defrauding the government.

And yes, that is Donald on that Hollywood access tape and Time magazine did not ask Trump to be on their cover... TRUTH

Trump and the conservative's lies only indicate the republicans are scared to death that they are losing adherents who are jumping ship at such a fast rate that even fake news lies will no longer captivate them. The repugs have nothing to offer their own constituents and eventually they will figure that out.

And... Nicole Kidman also, DOES NOT ENDORSE TRUMP.

Trump has reduced the GOP to a rabble of criminals, scumbags and losers.
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Thu 30 Nov, 2017 04:59 am
@cicerone imposter,
Yup, it is funny, poetic justice! hehe Smile
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Thu 30 Nov, 2017 05:15 am
https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/24232556_391276041294500_2961943078786389214_n.jpg?oh=a9fec8ad6cbd278f7051e25ad4ee13ab&oe=5A93A218
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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 30 Nov, 2017 06:41 am
@TheCobbler,
TheCobbler wrote:
http://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22221922_386275841806410_6979078799406828024_n.png?oh=becb79bf546dabe54711e63819e3df99&oe=5AA1D9C1

Since BLM thuggery is all about wanting to murder police officers, how about saying it is about wanting to murder police officers?


TheCobbler wrote:
Our flag is only as good as our unity and respect for one another. Without democracy and justice for all, our flag has no praise and our anthems are empty and meaningless. TC

Oh please. As if murdering police officers amounted to "justice".
oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 30 Nov, 2017 06:46 am
@TheCobbler,
TheCobbler wrote:
And... Nicole Kidman also, DOES NOT ENDORSE TRUMP.

Who the hell cares?

I'LL endorse Trump:

Trump is a fine fellow who will not violate your Second Amendment rights like those nasty Democrats who want to steal all your guns.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 30 Nov, 2017 11:28 am
@TheCobbler,
This is the US Navy team praying before a game...
https://www.snopes.com/army-football-team-kneel-protest-national-anthem/
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 30 Nov, 2017 12:08 pm
@oralloy,
Once again oralloy lies.
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Thu 30 Nov, 2017 04:57 pm
@oralloy,
How does it feel to be numbered among the money laundering pedophiles and those who would take healthcare and food from the mouths of babes and the elderly?

Oh I forgot you have no conscience, heartless creep, just like your Trump...
 

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