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Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

 
 
georgeob1
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2016 02:09 pm
@revelette1,
The hapless Obama has recently blamed our intelligence Agencies for failing to put the real dangers of ISIS "on his intelligence radar". A very odd claim since a large fraction of the book his former Secretary of Defense (Gates) wrote several years ago was devoted to it, and the likely bad consequences of our Obama-directed bug out from Iraq. Moreover Obams was in the habit of firing officials of the Defewnse or Intelligence communities who spoke out about it to the Congress (General Flynn is an example.) . Now he blames them for his failures - a very impressive demonstration of his integrity ..... or something else.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2016 03:48 pm
@georgeob1,
Out of curiosity, do you think the Russians are too fair minded to attempt to disrupt democracy? If you are convinced the Russians are our new best friends (with nukes) why has the FBI continued to identify moles and roll up spy rings from the workers paradise? Or is that just another thing Hillary would have mentioned if she had thought of it in order to continue running child molestation rings out of a pizza joint in DC. Which, by the way, was a topic Gen Flynn felt compelled to tweet and his son Gen. Jr. Tweeted endorsement and then challenged the pizza shop to prove they were not involved in this abomination. After a gun man from NC shot up the pizza joint because he believed Gen Flynn (why would he lie) Trump fired Gen Jr. From the transition team. But don't despair, I'm sure he will be back on board after the inauguration and will be appointed chief of political purity.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2016 03:56 pm
@georgeob1,
George, ISIS does not pose a threat to our country.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/nov/16/isis-existential-threat-united-states/
layman
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2016 04:30 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:


No threat, eh? Curious that you would cite THAT article to "prove" that claim. It says:

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ISIS has made clear its contempt for the United States, and it has a stated desire of establishing a caliphate -- an Islamic state led by an absolute religious ruler....With a large enough home base, ISIS might be able to harness "the resources with which to undertake even larger and more disruptive attacks," said Michael O’Hanlon, a senior fellow with the Brookings Institution.

In addition, ISIS is better positioned to bring terrorism to America’s shores than earlier terrorist groups due to its refinement of social media tactics, which have allowed it to recruit from far-flung populations in the West and inspire lone wolves to act on the group’s behalf....many of these fighters are likely to return to their home nations at some point, and some will return with the intention of carrying out terrorist attacks. While the danger of weapons of mass destruction is still on the horizon, initial reports on the Paris attacks suggest that the danger of returning fighters is now clear and present."

"What has been happening over the past several months – and now potentially with what is going on in Paris – is that the organization is trying to mobilize more significantly against Western targets," said Anthony Clark Arend, a Georgetown University professor of government and foreign service...

"An existential threat is one that would deprive the United States of its sovereignty under the Constitution, would threaten the territorial integrity of the United States or the safety within U.S. borders of large numbers of Americans, or would pose a manifest challenge to U.S. core interests abroad in a way that would compel an undesired and unwelcome change in our freely chosen ways of life at home," said Ted Bromund, a foreign policy analyst at the conservative Heritage Foundation....

We found general agreement that ISIS aspires to become an existential threat to the United States...So while I am not prepared to say that ISIS currently poses an existential threat to the United States, I see many indications that it may be moving in that direction." Bromund said he agrees that ISIS is not an existential threat today, but it has at least the possibility of becoming one eventually.

"I am not attracted to the argument that we need to wait for threats to become existential in order to regard them as serious and worthy of concern," he said. "Surely it would be better to consider them seriously before that point.

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2016 06:14 pm
@layman,
Did you know there are two oceans separating us from the ISIS threat? Also, any visitor to the United States is vetted by the UN and US customs/state department.
It's not easy to get a VISA to enter the US - especially from Syria or the Middle East.
layman
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2016 06:23 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Did you know there are two oceans separating us from the ISIS threat? Also, any visitor to the United States is vetted by the UN and US customs/state department.
It's not easy to get a VISA to enter the US - especially from Syria or the Middle East.


That s0? The experts I've heard say there's an ISIS training camp in Mexico, just a few miles from an especially unguarded and porous part of the border. These muslims can cross an ocean!? Who knew?

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Mexican Officials: ISIS Has Training Camp 8 Miles from US Border
The exact location where the terrorist group has established its base is around eight miles from the U.S. border in an area known as “Anapra” situated just west of Ciudad Juárez in the Mexican state of Chihuahua. Another ISIS cell to the west of Ciudad Juárez, in Puerto Palomas, targets the New Mexico towns of Columbus and Deming for easy access to the United States, the same knowledgeable sources confirm.

During the course of a joint operation last week, Mexican Army and federal law enforcement officials discovered documents in Arabic and Urdu, as well as “plans” of Fort Bliss – the sprawling military installation that houses the US Army’s 1st Armored Division. Muslim prayer rugs were recovered with the documents during the operation.

Cartel control of the Anapra area make it an extremely dangerous and hostile operating environment for Mexican Army and Federal Police operations.

According to these same sources, “coyotes” engaged in human smuggling – and working for Juárez Cartel – help move ISIS terrorists through the desert and across the border between Santa Teresa and Sunland Park, New Mexico.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/04/report-isis-sets-camp-8-miles-us-border/

Kinda sounds like they don't need no stinking Visa, eh?
glitterbag
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2016 06:28 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:

cicerone imposter wrote:

Did you know there are two oceans separating us from the ISIS threat? Also, any visitor to the United States is vetted by the UN and US customs/state department.
It's not easy to get a VISA to enter the US - especially from Syria or the Middle East.


That s0? The experts I've heard say there's an ISIS training camp in Mexico, just a few miles from an especially unguarded and porous part of the border. These muslims can cross an ocean!? Who knew?


Was the expert ret. Gen.Flynn who claims to have seen signs in Arabic guiding ISIS into the US? Find another expert, Flynn is bonafide nuts.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2016 06:30 pm
@glitterbag,
Also, politifact proves those stories are "pants on fire."
http://www.politifact.com/arizona/statements/2016/mar/10/jeff-dewit/isis-crossing-us-mexico-border/

Layman has to learn how to use reputable sources.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2016 06:38 pm
@glitterbag,
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Was the expert ret. Gen.Flynn who claims to have seen signs in Arabic guiding ISIS into the US? Find another expert, Flynn is bonafide nuts.
Gen. Flynn reads Arabic? Where did he learn that, at an ISIS training camp no doubt, he must be an ISIS mole.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2016 06:40 pm
@cicerone imposter,
General Flynn was fired by President Obama, and he's angry and disillusioned.
His relationship with Trump, the racial bigot, will only bring him down further.
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layman
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2016 06:41 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Also, politifact proves those stories are "pants on fire."
http://www.politifact.com/arizona/statements/2016/mar/10/jeff-dewit/isis-crossing-us-mexico-border/

Layman has to learn how to use reputable sources.


Thanks for the "reputable source," eh, Al? Says here:

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The influx of immigrants from the Middle East using the U.S.-Mexico border, however, goes back several years.

A report released in 2006 from the House Committee on Homeland Security states that "each year, hundreds of illegal aliens from countries known to harbor terrorists or promote terrorism" are routinely encountered when they attempt to cross the border.

The report also notes that several items have been found at the Rio Grande River, which runs from Colorado through Mexico, including a "jacket with patches from countries where al-Qaida is known to operate."

Moreover, the report definitively states that members of terrorist group Hezbollah "have already entered the United States" using the border sometime before 2005.

An August 2009 Government Accountability Office report also notes that Border Patrol encountered three people with "links to terrorism" at southwest border checkpoints in fiscal year 2008.

The House Committee on Homeland Security released an updated report in 2012. According to this report, from fiscal years 2006 to 2011, 1,918 "special interest" aliens, or aliens with ties to countries that "could bring harm" via terrorism, were apprehended at the border.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2016 06:45 pm
Well I don't know what you hope to achieve, but.........oh well.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2016 06:50 pm
@layman,
"Before 2005, and 3 people." A whole influx?
layman
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2016 06:53 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:


Funny, I don't see any "pants on fire" rating there, eh?

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DeWit said, "now we have ISIS coming over the border." There is no definitive evidence of that....For that, we rate DeWit’s claim as False.


Hmm, having "no definitive evidence" makes a claim "false?" How does that work, exactly? From all that comes out, no one claims that there is any definitive evidence that Russia hacked emails, either, yet many claim it to be true as if it were a proven fact.

Go figure, eh?
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layman
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2016 07:07 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

"Before 2005, and 3 people." A whole influx?


Did you read ANY other part of that excerpt, Al?

"The House Committee on Homeland Security released an updated report in 2012. According to this report, from fiscal years 2006 to 2011, 1,918 "special interest" aliens, or aliens with ties to countries that "could bring harm" via terrorism, were apprehended at the border."

Of course that 200o only represents the amount actually "apprehended." Elsewhere it says: "Border Patrol encountered three people with "links to terrorism" at southwest border checkpoints in fiscal year 2008." Guess what? Terrorist don't generally try to enter "via CHECKPOINTS."

Keep telling everybody there's "no threat" and that it's "false" that terrorists have crossed the Mexico/US border. Some will believe you, and will go back to playing their video games with a sound sense of security. They'll welcome your "reports," I'm sure.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2016 07:09 pm
@layman,
SOME ACTUAL EVIDENCE WOULD BE NICE. THERE IS NONE. YOUR ENTIRE ARGUMENT IS BASED ON "WHAT IFS" AND "COULD BES"--NO ACTUAL EVIDENCE.
layman
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2016 07:15 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

SOME ACTUAL EVIDENCE WOULD BE NICE. THERE IS NONE. YOUR ENTIRE ARGUMENT IS BASED ON "WHAT IFS" AND "COULD BES"--NO ACTUAL EVIDENCE.


Actually reading the evidence that's already been posted might have allowed you to restrain yourself from going full-blown historonic ALL CAPS! mode, eh?

Then again, maybe not
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2016 07:21 pm
@layman,
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were apprehended at the border."
Blickers
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2016 07:27 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote Baldimo:
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So it's either Trump's side or the side of justice? That's your take on this? I didn't see the need for a recount, plain and simple, I trust the counting system and haven't seen a reason to doubt it.
Well guess what-even the people who wrote and passed the election laws saw the need to back up the election system by writing in the need for a mandatory recount if the margin of victory is 1% or less, or a requested recount if the requestor-candidate or merely a state voter-can come up with the money. Saying that we count the votes once, no recounts is contrary to our system. You have some strange ideas about how the system works, and they all seem to favor the Republican candidate.

Quote Baldimo:
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This is all meaning less unless there was a reason to suspect that votes were messed with.

You couldn't be more wrong. The recounts, in most places, are automatic without even a request if the margin of victory is 1% or less. That's the way the law was written, since the writers in their wisdom realized that when you involve people there is always room for corruption. Besides which, unless the recount is performed and there is a discrepancy, how do we know if the vote was rigged or not? You've got a nice Catch-22 going there, Baldimo-one vote is enough unless you can prove there was rigging, but we musn't recount the votes so we can see if there was rigging. And the sad part is, to people like you that makes sense.

Quote Baldimo:
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Not falsehoods, information you don't like. There is zero proof anything was done to the machines, it only resides in your and Jill Steins imaginations.
But plenty of proof that something could have been done to the machines, that video I posted proved that. And once again you invoke your favorite Catch 22, "We won't recount unless we have proof there wrongdoing, and you can't use a recount of the votes to show there was possibly wrongdoing".

Besides which, I have mentioned innumerable times that the lawmakers passed the law with the proviso that recounts in most places are automatic if the margin of victory is 1%or less, and are paid for by a candidate or even a state voter if the apparent victory margin is over 1%. Which is what Stein is doing. And you find a million things supposedly wrong with that, whereas if you really had conficence in the system you would simply say, "Go ahead, count the votes. Have fun, they won't show anything different". But you don't say that-why not?

Quote Baldimo:
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So it's either Trump's side or the side of justice? That's your take on this?
My take is that the law provides, in most states, an automatic recount if the margin of victory is 1% or less, and a requested recount by a candidate or state voter if they are able to afford it. I see nothing wrong with this. That's the law, it is designed to try to get the person with the most actual votes credited with the win.

I've got a question, Baldimo. What if somebody pulls off a con that wrongly gives a candidate who actually lost OVER a 1% win. Say, a 4% or 5% win. If people followed your personal commandment of "Thou shalt not recount the votes until you have already proven there was cheating before the recount begins, then how can we catch the cheater? Likely, we will not be able to. And as long the wrongfully elected leader is a Republican or conservative, you like that just fine, don't you?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 10 Dec, 2016 07:30 pm
@Blickers,
http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/automatic-recount-thresholds.aspx
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