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Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

 
 
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2016 07:43 am
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Here is another false meme..

The GOP sure is false.
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2016 07:48 am
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2016 07:52 am
Hillary Clinton Now Leads Donald Trump in Popular Vote by Over 1.5 Million
http://www.mediaite.com/online/hillary-clinton-now-leads-donald-trump-in-popular-vote-by-over-1-5-million/
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2016 08:01 am
https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15181312_10154757390950850_7166165079458735765_n.jpg?oh=efcb7d1828488c5fdce740dd50dca9b8&oe=58D32EE0
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maporsche
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2016 10:56 am
@TheCobbler,
TheCobbler wrote:

I hear the democrats are buying up guns by employing the gun show loophole as we speak.

Democrats apparently have no problem with gun ownership.

Let's see how long the GOP allows this gun loophole to remain open now that a black man is leaving office.

Donald wants to outlaw guns in Chicago and stop and frisk. How far will he go?

Was it really ever about gun ownership and the precious second amendment or was it just the right wing racist mantra to try and subvert the will of a black president?



I'm a Chicago democrat who just bought his 4th gun.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2016 11:05 am
@TheCobbler,
It's true that democratic presidents seem to be better for our economy based on history, but that's probably more accidental. One of the things that matters is the price of energy. Have you noticed how cheap gas has been lately? Obama happens to be our president, and he didn't influence the price of oil.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2016 11:16 am
@TheCobbler,
Now that Trump won, what do you forecast for our economy after he takes office?
Blickers
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2016 11:48 am
@RABEL222,
Quote Rabel22:
Quote:
Don't worry, after tRump assumes the presidency we will look like Russia.

Why not? Russia put him in office. Fair is fair.

Probably be a Trump Tower in Moscow and St. Petersburg, Russia, though. That will make it even.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2016 12:06 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Well the S&P is up about 8% and the DJIA about 5% since the election. The bond market is down sharply due to the forecast end of zero real interest rates.

What does that tell you?
Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2016 12:15 pm
@georgeob1,
That interest rates should have gone up a couple of years ago. We keep getting told how wonderful things were, why the low interest rates for so long? Easy, they were propping up the stock market while Obama was in office, and now that Trump is in office, Janet Yellen will raise rates.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2016 01:44 pm
@Baldimo,
Possibly so. However the low interest rates are a nearly worldwide phenomenon right now - something that started in Japan over a decade ago- and it is clearly a policy that highly indebted countries have a very hard time leaving behind. I don't credit Trump for the change: it was indeed overdue as you suggest. However that it is coming at all is likely a sign of optimism.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2016 01:53 pm
@georgeob1,
It's a sign that the economy will remain strong.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2016 02:02 pm
@cicerone imposter,
He'll get richer along with the 1% and the rest of us will suck hind tit just like always under conservative leadership.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2016 02:04 pm
@georgeob1,
How does that help me? It just makes the 1% richer but dosent produce any jobs.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2016 02:14 pm
@RABEL222,
I'm not complaining because our investments increased by 8.7% this year in a 2% world. Most investment gurus recommend increasing your bond funds as you get older, but that's bull. Our economy is the strongest in the world. That's not about to change any time soon. I predict that this holiday season spending is going to be very strong compared to the past.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2016 02:35 pm
@RABEL222,
Do you not have any sort of investments?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2016 02:39 pm
@georgeob1,
If my memory serves, Japan had negative interest rate at one time.
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2016 07:40 am
@cicerone imposter,
https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/14732355_1433518513342740_6318349683318264463_n.jpg?oh=53f6007defe066afa141a91c0dbe3606&oe=58CBABA4
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revelette2
 
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Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2016 08:20 am
Trump's infrastructure plan probably seems like a leftist idea but the following explains how it is not.

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To understand what’s going on, it may be helpful to start with what we should be doing. The federal government can indeed borrow very cheaply; meanwhile, we really need to spend money on everything from sewage treatment to transit. The indicated course of action, then, is simple: borrow at those low, low rates, and use the funds raised to fix what needs fixing.

But that’s not what the Trump team is proposing. Instead, it’s calling for huge tax credits: billions of dollars in checks written to private companies that invest in approved projects, which they would end up owning. For example, imagine a private consortium building a toll road for $1 billion. Under the Trump plan, the consortium might borrow $800 million while putting up $200 million in equity — but it would get a tax credit of 82 percent of that sum, so that its actual outlays would only be $36 million. And any future revenue from tolls would go to the people who put up that $36 million.

There are three questions you should immediately ask.

First, why do it this way? Why not just have the government do the spending, the way it did when, for example, we built the Interstate Highway System? It’s not as if the feds are having trouble borrowing. And while involving private investors may create less upfront government debt than a more straightforward scheme, the eventual burden on taxpayers will be every bit as high if not higher.

Second, how is this scheme supposed to deal with infrastructure needs that can’t be turned into profit centers? Our top priorities should include things like repairing levees and cleaning up hazardous waste; where’s the revenue stream? Maybe the government can promise to pay fees in perpetuity, in effect “renting” the repaired levee or waterworks — but that makes it even clearer that we’re basically engaged in a gratuitous handout to select investors.

Third, what reason do we have to believe that this scheme will generate new investment, as opposed to repackaging things that would have happened anyway? For example, many cities will have to replace their water systems in the years ahead, one way or another; if that replacement takes place under the Trump scheme rather than through ordinary government investment, we haven’t built additional infrastructure, we’ve just privatized what would have been public assets — and the people acquiring those assets will have paid just 18 cents on the dollar, with taxpayers picking up the rest of the tab.

Again, all of this is unnecessary. If you want to build infrastructure, build infrastructure. It’s hard to see any reason for a roundabout, indirect method that would offer a few people extremely sweet deals, and would therefore provide both the means and the motive for large-scale corruption. Or maybe I should say, it’s hard to see any reason for this scheme unless the inevitable corruption is a feature, not a bug.


source
Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 23 Nov, 2016 10:37 am
@revelette2,
There is more to this than "cheap" spending, it's the ability to actually get the work done on time and within budget. I worked in construction back in the mid to late 90's, I have some experience in the field and I can tell you that those are the primary concerns when you build something, not which is the cheapest way to fund the project. Have you heard about the fiasco that is the VA hospital complex in Aurora CO?

It broke ground in late 2011 and was suppose to be finished by 2014. It's now almost 2017 and they announced a few months ago that it would be done by Jan 2018. It was also suppose to cost about $600 million to complete. To date it is now going to cost taxpayers $1.7 billion, yes with a B, billion. So 4 years late and $1 Billion over budget.

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/09/29/aurora-va-hospital-supoena/





You have to forgive some of us for being skeptical about the how the govt goes about large construction projects in the modern era.
 

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