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Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

 
 
McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 15 Jan, 2016 07:29 pm
@Blickers,
Read that last part.
Blickers
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2016 01:05 am
@McGentrix,
We don't believe the Right's stories for good reason.

How about the crap the Right wrote about Vince Foster's suicide? According to conservatives, Hillary had him killed.

What about the money Clinton enemy Cliff Jackson paid Arkansas troopers to lie about Clinton's affairs? Let me refresh your memory:
"But in 1993, Jackson was still very much in the anti-Clinton business. He negotiated “personal
service” contracts guaranteeing jobs to Arkansas Trooper Larry Patterson and fellow troopers who told salacious fables about the Clintons’ sex lives to the Los Angeles Times and the American Spectator.

The December 1993 American Spectator story, by David Brock, was widely credited by the mainstream media, despite the self-evident absurdity of some of the troopers’ tales.
Believe what you will about the
president’s libido; but can anybody truly believe that Hillary Clinton allowed the late Vincent Foster to caress her breasts at a Rose Law Firm party in a public restaurant,
while she squirmed and purred like a cat in heat?
Well, that was what the troopers told Brock she did. And that’s what the American Spectator printed.

Within a week of the “Troopergate” bombshell, Jackson released an open letter to President Clinton in which he expressed
his hope that the public washing of his allegedly dirty laundry would bring about the “best possible future for you and our country.”

“I feel for your pain and that of your family,” Jackson wrote." "
http://www.salon.com/1998/02/05/cov_05news/

We don't believe the hate-Clinton drumbeat coming from the Right because it has been the same old garbage for the past quarter century. The American people as a whole don't pay attention anymore, nor should they.
McGentrix
 
  -1  
Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2016 03:16 pm
@Blickers,
There, there, it's ok. Your cocoon will keep you safe and warm and protected from the mean ol' people on the right. You keep believing that the Clinton's can do no wrong. You keep believing that and I am sure Santa will bring you some fancy presents next Christmas.

You will be OK.
Blickers
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2016 03:26 pm
@McGentrix,
I notice you have no reply to the fact that a Clinton enemy from back in Arkansas, Cliff Jackson, paid state troopers guarding the governor's family to make assertions that both Clintons had these outrageous sex lives, as opposed to Billy boy taking the ladies up on their offers now and then.

By the way, do you still believe Hillary had Vince Foster killed?
McGentrix
 
  -1  
Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2016 10:01 pm
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:

I notice you have no reply to the fact that a Clinton enemy from back in Arkansas, Cliff Jackson, paid state troopers guarding the governor's family to make assertions that both Clintons had these outrageous sex lives, as opposed to Billy boy taking the ladies up on their offers now and then.

By the way, do you still believe Hillary had Vince Foster killed?


At this point it matters not what I think. Hillary could state that the moon was indeed made of cheese and you would be here discussing how the light side must be cheddar.
Blickers
 
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Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2016 10:59 pm
@McGentrix,
In other words, you are dodging the question yet again. It's all that reinforcement you get from the right wing media. Talk radio hosts and callers talk as if all the scandals have been proven, conservative message boards all climb over each other trying to top each other posting about the latest speculation of supposed scandal. If you immerse yourself in all this, as I have no doubt that you do, it soon becomes a radical, fringe thought that maybe Hillary might not be guilty of the things the Right constantly accuses her of.

By the way, do you still believe Hillary had Vince Foster killed?
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revelette2
 
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Reply Sun 17 Jan, 2016 09:27 am
With all the talk of Hillary and her supposed untrustworthiness, why is no one talking of Cruz who admitted he broke the law by not disclosing his receiving donations from Goldman and Sachs. He said he needed the money because his opponent was worth over $200 million. He said he didn't disclose because of a paperwork error.

Ted Cruz blasts 'New York Times' article

Got this information from Media Matters, had a pretty good piece on it. (Facts backed with embedded links at the source.)

If Media Can't Explain This Clear Campaign Finance Violation, We All Have A Serious Problem

Quote:
It's true: campaign finance law is absurdly difficult for media to explain to American voters. The numbers are abstractly large, the rules are complicated, and everyone wonders if American voters actually care.

The polls certainly seem to say Americans are concerned. Across the political spectrum, voters consistently tell the media the tidal wave of money in politics is a grave problem and the case that opened the flood gates -- Citizens United -- should be overturned. Whether it's Republicans complaining about the "special interests" of Washington, D.C. or Democrats warning about the billionaires running our campaigns, the message is clear: clean elections matter.

The editorial boards and television pundits seem to agree. Like clockwork, with every new discouraging development handed down by the courts on campaign finance law, every new revelation of the monied power brokers pulling politicians' strings, every new failure to effectively enforce the election regulations on the books, solemn editorials are written and monologues are delivered warning American voters that the system has become at-risk to rampant corruption and conflicts of interest.

And yet here we are: live on Fox Business Network during their televised presidential debate, under questioning from FBN's Maria Bartiromo, a major presidential candidate just admitted he violated a basic campaign finance transparency rule in a fashion that runs antithetical to his core political image and he seems to think no one cares. He certainly doesn't seem to be afraid of the media calling him out, although some are trying. How else do we describe the embarrassing image of Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), ostensibly one of the most intelligent legislators in Congress, brazenly admitting in a live presidential debate he broke the law as a senatorial candidate by taking a roughly million dollar campaign loan from Goldman Sachs and Citibank without properly disclosing the sources to the Federal Election Commission (FEC)?

Maybe the reason Bartiromo didn't follow up her original question with anything more than a "thank you" was that she was as stunned as the rest of us.

Yes, the candidate also misled about the details of his election violation on national television and media fact checkers duly called out the bait-and-switch after. Disclosing the possible conflict of interest in receiving a million dollars from Goldman Sachs (this Goldman Sachs) and Citibank while you're campaigning as a man of the people railing against the big bad establishment is not the same thing as disclosing the possible conflict of interest after you've been elected, a conflation the candidate nevertheless attempted to sell with a straight face during the debate. That's like a voter explaining they didn't properly register before they cast a ballot but did so afterwards, so it's all good.

That's not how it works.

Election disclosure laws are supposed to inform Americans before they vote so they can make an educated decision. In fact, this principle of mandated disclosure may have been the only reason Citizens United was allowed in the first place -- as a counterbalance to the obvious conflicts of interest the Supreme Court was about to tempt politicians with. The entire point behind the legal argument that led the conservatives on the Supreme Court to allow the 1% more unfiltered access to campaigning politicians was the idea that at least Americans would know who was potentially buying influence. In the case of Cruz, who rails against big money and the elite as a point of pride, such information may have been particularly interesting to the Tea Partiers who voted for him.

But again, here we are. A major presidential candidate seems to think either voters are idiots, or the media are.

So it's a challenge. The number is a cool million, easy for the typical news consumer to grasp. The case law and implementing disclosure regulations are cut and dry -- if you take money from a bank for your campaign, you have to identify the bank to the FEC. It boils down to the third problem of campaign finance reporting -- does the American public care? They say they do, over and over again, and the media keeps telling us this is an important part of American democracy, so what's the disconnect, if any?

With this ridiculously clear campaign finance violation on display for all to see, we're about to find out.

If media can't get the American public to understand why this sort of behavior, certainly not unique to Cruz, is a big problem, it's no longer the fault of the American public. They aren't the experts. It's the media's job to provide the expertise. But if the media can't effectively explain this one to its audience -- it's time to rethink how campaign finance reporting is done.

After all, Cruz is basically daring you.
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jan, 2016 04:33 am
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jan, 2016 04:44 am
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jan, 2016 05:01 am
If I were Bernie Sanders...

I would tell all these POOR 99% ers (who follow him) with starving children to stop sending Bernie their children's lunch money and to INSTEAD send their money to defeat local House and Senate GOP candidates in their states.

What good is having a VERY liberal Sanders in office when NOTHING he proposes will EVER become law?

THIS is another charade designed to nickel and dime and to bleed the middle class to death!

Hillary has it right, she receives her money from the rich and let's hope she sticks it to them once she is in office. (Like Robin Hood) Bernie is just the opposite.

We need this money to go towards informing the voters of the treachery in the last 8 years with the GOP running the government into the ground.

Even middle class republicans think the GOP have their own best interests at heart.

THE GOP HAVE NO HEART!

If the middle class is failing, don't rob and kick them while they are down Bernie. Spread fear in order to guilt trip poor people into a donation...

Educate them about the races in their own states and districts that need to be spotlighted and bought out of the dark Republican corporate secrecy. Bernie talks money money money and that is a one tune pony that gets no respect from me.

Wall Street is coming to take all your money away! Take a look in the mirror Bernie, YES, we are all "feeling the burn"...

Bernie's donations come from the poor and are paid to the lying deceptive rich mass media corporations.

TEACH your people about the races and how their votes in their own districts are the ONLY WAY to obtain the change they desire.

Matthew 15:8
This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

Comment:
A talking head whose legislative GOP body (heart) is anti US Constitution.

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Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jan, 2016 12:39 pm
@TheCobbler,
CA should stop dumping their reservoirs to protect fish, then they would have enough water for their people.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jan, 2016 03:43 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote:
Re: TheCobbler (Post 6110437)
CA should stop dumping their reservoirs to protect fish, then they would have enough water for their people.


Or stop pouring it into fracking holes.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jan, 2016 04:13 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Whether they pour it into fracking holes or not, it's still stupid to dump the reservoirs to protect fish when people need it more.

Quote:
And in a blog post recently, Michael Campana, a hydrologist at Oregon State University, tore into those citing the 70 million number, noting that in 2010, California’s freshwater “withdrawals” amounted to “31 billion gallons per day or 11.3 trillion gallons per year” (excluding thermoelectric withdrawals, which Campana said he assumed were “not freshwater”).

What does that mean for the fracking number? Campana writes:

Fracking accounts for 0.00062% (or 0.0000062) of the state’s annual freshwater withdrawals. A lot of water? Not in my book. In fact, I thought there was an error – that the figure should have been 70M gallons per day. But note that locally 70 MGY could be a significant amount.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/04/13/what-environmentalists-get-wrong-when-they-use-the-california-drought-to-attack-fracking/

Water use in fracking is only a concern for people who hate the oil industry. It appears that CA's fresh water use for fracking is actually very low on the list when compared to other uses for fresh water.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jan, 2016 04:24 pm
@TheCobbler,
I've known this, of course. I happen to love california and be a fan of native plants for the areas there, and for "drought resistant" plantings if they are other than native to that microclimate/area.
I nearly committed hara kiri when I went back to LA and saw that the new owners tore my stuff out (people used to sometimes stop their cars to look at our garden) and put in banana trees instead. Eeeek... a lesson in letting go.

I love almonds and almond trees, so beautiful.
But, in this situation, ai yi yi.

Anyway, I don't live there anymore but I still follow the California water politics, off and on.
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Suttle Tea
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jan, 2016 06:54 pm
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Reply Tue 19 Jan, 2016 07:57 pm
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2016 07:18 am
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Suttle Tea
 
  5  
Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2016 11:11 am
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2016 12:30 pm
@Suttle Tea,
How does one stupid know the other is stupid? LOL
coldjoint
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2016 09:02 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
How does one stupid know the other is stupid? LOL

Easy, you two have figured it out.http://www.doomjunkie.com/images/smilies/chuckle.gif
 

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