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coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2020 03:23 pm
@MontereyJack,
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Evidence the right too is behind the violence and looting also.

Let's see it.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2020 03:25 pm
@coldjoint,
As usual, simplistic beyond reason.. //A lot of evidence coming out that there a re a lot onf new palyers who resisr characterization as either left or right, since they may be both at the same time, and care primarily for discord only and look toward a new civil war.
MontereyJack
 
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Benjamin Ryan Teeter was at his home in Hampstead, N.C., when the call to action came. It was an alert from the heart of the raging protests in Minneapolis, posted on an online forum by a fellow member of the Boogaloo movement, a loosely knit group of heavily armed, anti-government extremists.

© Travis Long/The News & Observer Benjamin Ryan Teeter, front, during a stay-at-home order protest in Raleigh N.C. last month.
The "alert" was from a man who had a run-in with the Minneapolis police while on the frontline of the police-brutality protests set off by the death of George Floyd.

"He caught mace to the face," said Teeter, and "put out a national notice to our network."
After Teeter -- who goes by Ryan -- said he saw the online posting, he and a handful of other Boogaloo friends in the area mobilized.
They grabbed their guns -- mostly assault rifles -- hopped into their vehicles, and made the 18-hour trek to Minneapolis.
The Boogaloos are an emerging incarnation of extremism that seems to defy easy categorization. They are yet another confounding factor in the ongoing effort among local, state and federal officials to puzzle out the political sympathies of the agitators showing up to the mostly peaceful George Floyd rallies who have destroyed property, looted businesses, or -- in the case of the Boogaloos who descended on Minneapolis -- walked around the streets with assault rifles.
Boogaloo members appear to hold conflicting ideological views with some identifying as anarchists and others rejecting formal titles. Some pockets of the group have espoused white supremacy while others reject it. But they have at least two things in common: an affinity for toting around guns in public and a "boogaloo" rallying cry, which is commonly viewed as code for another US civil war.
Megan Squire, a computer science professor at Elon University in North Carolina who monitors online extremism, said the movement started in obscure online platforms.
It "is now growing on mainstream platforms, and in this moment of protest it is starting to move offline," she said. "It resembles the militia movement that came before it, which has been well documented as a force for promoting violence."
Teeter, in an interview with CNN, said he identifies as an anarchist. His mission in Minneapolis, he said, was to protect protesters from police abuse and white supremacists, whom he deplores.
"If people are going to initiate deadly force against us, we need to be willing and able to initiate deadly force in return," Teeter, 22, said.






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Despite the presence of Teeter, and he said a dozen or so of his compatriots, federal, state and local officials have put forth little evidence so far to suggest widespread organization and mobilization by any one ideological group. A CNN review of the backgrounds of those arrested during the first three days of protests in Minneapolis did not surface any obvious links to known organizations.
Some police said they suspect that much of the rioting and looting was perpetrated not by ideological extremists, but smaller groups of criminal opportunists seeking to profit by stealing merchandise.
"These are straight up criminals. These are not protestors," said one high-ranking LAPD official. In Los Angeles, he said, roving bands of thieves drove around in cars and communicated by cellphone, identifying businesses to loot.
Still, there are some documented reports of group-affiliated individuals from the left and right of the extremist spectrum mingling amid the less organized.
In Nevada, federal prosecutors this week charged three men who allegedly identify with the Boogaloo movement with possessing a "Molotov cocktail" explosive and conspiring to "cause destruction during protests in Las Vegas," according to a press release from the US Attorney's Office.
Stephen T. "Kiwi" Parshall, Andrew Lynam, and William L. Loomis, all of whom have military experience, had attended a protest on May 29 honoring George Floyd in Las Vegas, according to the criminal complaint. Parshall allegedly tried to encourage violence by "telling protesters that peaceful protests don't accomplish anything," the complaint states. The three men were arrested on their way to a second Floyd-related demonstration the following day, allegedly armed with a Molotov cocktail, according to the records.
Gun-toting Boogaloo members also have appeared at George Floyd protests in Minneapolis, Salt Lake City, Dallas, Atlanta and elsewhere, according to The Washington Post.
Known for sporting Hawaiian shirts and arriving to public protests heavily armed, the decentralized Boogaloo movement -- sometimes referred to as the "Boogaloo Bois" -- is often associated with the far-right.
But it is far from a cohesive group, said J.J. MacNab, a fellow at George Washington University who studies anti-government extremism.
"While there are pockets of white supremacist Boogaloos, the younger and bigger groups are generally not," she said in a recent Twitter thread. "While there are Boogaloos that support police, the younger and bigger groups detest them. While there are Boogaloos that want to discredit protests angry at the murder of a black man, there are younger Boogaloos that are incensed by the murder and want to join the protests."
MacNab added that such internal divisions don't always play out according to age.
"They share jargon, outfits, a love of firearms, and a desire to use violence to gain power, but they don't actually share a common goal once power is achieved," she said.
The origin of the name is thought to trace back to a 1980s movie sequel about breakdancing called "Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo." The term "boogaloo" in recent years has caught on as a sly online reference to social unrest and a desired second civil war.
"The boogaloo meme" is a "joke for some," but "acts as a violent meme that circulates instructions for a violent, viral insurgency for others," says a white paper released in February by the Network Contagion Research Institute, a group of independent researchers who monitor misinformation and hate speech, in association with Rutgers University.
"Termed the 'boogaloo,' this ideology self-organizes across social media communities, boasts tens of thousands of users, exhibits a complex division of labor," says the report, and "evolves well-developed channels to innovate and distribute violent propaganda."
There are signs that adherents have been venturing out of the chat rooms and into the real world, most notably at various reopen demonstrations during the Covid-19 lockdowns. In April, a Boogaloo devotee was arrested in Texas for allegedly attempting to find and kill police officers while filming on Facebook Live, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center.
The movement seems to have gained considerable traction in recent months.
The Tech Transparency Project of a non-profit watchdog group called Campaign for Accountability released a report this spring concluding that more than 60% of the 125 identifiable Boogaloo groups on Facebook have sprung up since January, and picked up steam after the onset of the Covid-19 lockdowns.
To talk to Teeter -- who also recently attended protests decrying the Covid-19 lockdown -- is to get a sense of just how profoundly scrambled the Boogaloo ideology can be.
"I'm a member of the LGBT community," said Teeter, who describes himself as a non-voting "left anarchist...People think I'm part of a Nazi group; I'm not."
But, he added, "I don't think people should be forced to bake the cake," referring to a US Supreme Court case that stemmed from the refusal of a Christian owner of a bakery in Colorado to provide a wedding cake for a gay couple.
In Minneapolis, Teeter said, he and others in his group stood sentry with firearms outside of mom-and-pop shops, but in solidarity with the black community in opposition to police brutality.
"We are very careful to make sure that people realize that we are on their side. We are here to defend them ... Once people realize that we are on their side and we are here to protect them, everybody has been -- almost everybody -- has been very happy to have us here."
Teeter said he was home schooled, but did not complete college despite being offered scholarships.
"I've always been able to self-educate," he said. "We have the Internet. You can learn anything you want to learn for free."
He has had some brushes with the law. He said on a recent podcast that he's been to jail "eight or nine" times, though he suggested at least some of those incidents involved actions related to his activism.
An administrator for the New Hanover County criminal court in North Carolina told CNN that Teeter has a pending charge from January of 2019 for discharging a firearm in city limits. Teeter told CNN it was an accidental discharge that occurred while he was cleaning the weapon.
His social media posts appear consistent with his idiosyncratic political persuasions: photos of himself in a flak jacket or participating in the reopen protests, and memes lamenting police brutality, celebrating black men with guns, ridiculing both President Trump and Democratic Presidential candidate Joe Biden, and glorifying the Boogaloo movement and the notion of "coming civil conflict."
Extremism experts say other militias are starting to adopt the Boogaloo moniker.
A report on the "Militia-sphere" released Tuesday by the Network Contagion Research Institute said militias such as Oath Keepers and Three Percenters "now share the same boogaloo meme both in the virtual and real world."
Squire said there appears to be a generational divide in the Boogaloo movement, with the younger subset having been steeped in meme culture online, and the older group looking for a rebrand.
"It's like an updated, younger take," she said. "And so that's appealing to the guys who are in the actual meme-ing, very online age group, right. But it's also appealing to these older guys, who are kind of stale."
Squire, who tracks the online chatter of groups such as Boogaloo, alerted CNN about Teeter's trip to Minneapolis. She said he is emblematic of the younger subset. But according to the social media data she monitors, Squire said Teeter stands out for having taken the initiative to drive all the way to Minneapolis.
"We've seen less of that -- driving across the country -- because the protests have erupted in more places," she said. "And so these guys that were on the fence about whether or not to go, they can just stay where they are and just do the local protest."
Teeter, by contrast, is proactive, Squire said.
"He's committed," she said. "He's a vanguard."
On the streets of Minneapolis, Teeter said his group hasn't always been "kitted out" with guns drawn. During the day, when the protests have been more peaceful, Teeter said, he and his ilk have blended in with the crowds, chanting along.
He said they often bring out their weapons later in the day and into the evening, "once things start to get dark."





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coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2020 03:42 pm
@MontereyJack,
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What is the Boogaloo movement: The gun-toting members showing up at protests

Did they cause any violence? Did they loot anything? The answer is no to both.
Your article is to promote more division and hate, typical of CNN.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2020 08:19 pm
@coldjoint,
You really do hate any facts that show your loopiness, don't you.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2020 08:21 pm
@coldjoint,
yes violence, yes looting. those are their reasons for existence.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2020 08:53 pm
@MontereyJack,
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You really do hate any facts that show your loopiness, don't you

Those facts have nothing to do with the evidence collected against Antifa and similar groups. Nothing loopy about it, you proved nothing..
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2020 10:46 pm
@coldjoint,
It's not Antifa who are doing the violence and looTing arOUnd the dempmnstratioms. It's organized gaNGS OF CRIMINALS WHO MEHODICALLY USE THE DEMOS AS COVER BUT ARE PURELY IN IT TO GET FENCABLE LOOT, OR THE BOOGALOO ISH ANARCHISTs. yOU CANT LOOK BEYOND YOUR pRECPONCEPKTIONS, INADEQUATE AS THEY ARE.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Thu 4 Jun, 2020 11:24 pm
@MontereyJack,
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It's not Antifa who are doing the violence and looTing

The AG says he has evidence it is. What part of that don't you understand?
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2020 03:55 am
@coldjoint,
what part of he lies don't you understand.
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livinglava
 
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2020 09:31 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

It's not Antifa who are doing the violence and looTing arOUnd the dempmnstratioms. It's organized gaNGS OF CRIMINALS WHO MEHODICALLY USE THE DEMOS AS COVER BUT ARE PURELY IN IT TO GET FENCABLE LOOT, OR THE BOOGALOO ISH ANARCHISTs. yOU CANT LOOK BEYOND YOUR pRECPONCEPKTIONS, INADEQUATE AS THEY ARE.

The bottom line is you can't punish groups for crime, only individuals.

But the bigger picture is that all this civil unrest is the result of Marxist/socialist-type ideology that seeks to exploit class conflicts within populations to effectuate economic revolution.

Marx called religion 'the opium of the people' because it pacifies people and encourages them to accept and endure difficult economic conditions instead of fighting against the wealthier classes.

What the Democrats say is that we have to expect anger and violent rebellion as a result of economic inequalities, which is a Marxist way of thinking. The reality is that they have systematically replaced with religion with secular material culture that promotes the idea that people can only be happy when they get more material wealth.

They have also turned people against religion by promoting churches that cater to the fear/aversion of talking about 'sin' and 'sinners,' and that stokes the false belief that sins aren't forgiven and that they can't or shouldn't be reformed, which creates enmity between sinners and churches instead of the loving reform of sin that is supposed to happen in church.

So now you have this out-of-control culture of anger due to material envy and thus class-conflict, and people who are all alienated from religion because they think conservative religious people hate homosexuals and racial difference, etc.

Plus the general leftist anti-authoritarian ethic has translated into fear/hate of police and other authority and a sense of solidarity with criminals, whom liberals empathize with as 'victims of police and criminal justice.'

The overall result is that in schools as well as society at large, you have young people coming into contact with authorities such as police and school authorities with a rebellious and defiant attitude, who are seeking to subvert authority in subtle ways. Such subversive civil disobedience may seem harmless at the individual level, but when police, teachers, etc. are confronted with it on a regular basis, it wears down their tolerance and, sadly, some are going to be on edge to the point where their frustration gets expressed in the form of violence.

This doesn't excuse police violence, but it should raise awareness that those police who end up committing brutalities may not have lost control if they had not be worn down by a leftist culture of provocation by civil disobedience/defiance. We need to realize that criminals are not the only people who get worn down to the point of committing crime. Police and other authorities can get worn down and frustrated by the leftist culture of civil disobedience to the point of become short-tempered and violent, and it is not fair to place all the blame on them when there are countless leftists advocating and practicing hostile, aggressive provocations in all sorts of arenas from online discussions like those here to classrooms to public demonstrations/protests.

We need to end the culture of hostility, defiance, and civil disobedience; because it wears down police and other authorities to the point where some lose it and many others may have a much shorter fuse than they would otherwise because of all they have to deal with. Not only crime needs to tone down but also leftist provocative/hostile speech. This is not to say that right-wingers who are similarly aggressive and provocative aren't just as much part of the problem, but I consider them leftist as well simply because they are so aggressively oriented toward conflict with the status quo that they are not really conservative despite the fact they identify as 'right wing.'
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2020 09:37 am
Demonstration, btw, is from the Latin demonstrationem, and demonstrare means "to show"/"to explain" not civil unrest.
livinglava
 
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2020 10:13 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Demonstration, btw, is from the Latin demonstrationem, and demonstrare means "to show"/"to explain" not civil unrest.

What does the definition of the word have to do with what is actually going on among people on the ground?

The bottom line is that there is a culture of anti-authoritarian defiance that is wearing down the morale of police and other authorities who don't fully embrace the leftist culture of liberating everyone from traditional moral taboos against things like theft, drugs, and liberal sexuality. Those who claim such liberal cultural practices aren't harmful should look at the way young people behave who are stoked up on drugs and sex to the point of thinking they are kings of the world, who can't subdue themselves toward authorities in order to keep the peace. Try being a police officer or other authority figure charged with maintaining public order when people are being defiant and rebellious in subtle ways all the time. I, personally, would not want to be in the position of a police officer who is going to get the blame if they lose their temper against this kind of behavior that most people would not have the patience to deal with in their own home if it happened there.

People can and should have independent political thinking that they communicate, but when demostrations not only ignore the public health threat they pose due to a pandemic virus threat, but they also result in violence/destruction of property, attacks on police, and other guerilla-type tactics, it is not demostration but insurrection. And let's be honest, there has been culture of insurrection against Trump since he began to threaten global trade with tariffs. These riots are just the latest in the war on Trump that is being waged by global interests against tariffs and other Republican/Trump policies. The global left got emboldened by eight years of Democrats cooperating to establish broad and deep-rooted patterns of trade/commerce, which are now being threatened as the status quo. So whereas Marxism/socialism used to battle against the status quo for progress, it is now battling against Trump's attacks on the status quo of global trade patterns that allow the US economy to be used as an engine for growing and redistributing wealth around the world.

The anti-Trump culture needs to back down and stop causing insurrection, which is the real antecedent cause for the police brutality that is occurring. Yes, police are supposed to being unwaivering rocks of ages who can't be provoked into short-tempered and vengeful people, but they are human beings like anyone else, so there are going to be some whose nerves get frayed to the point of being more susceptible to provocation, and if such a cop is having a bad day, they might exercise excessive force on someone who is submissive just because they haven't been able to catch the bad guys. Think about it: it's just like when you have colleagues who are rude or pressure you in certain ways that you can't argue with, but then someone is nice and you end up acting rudely toward them because of all the other rudeness you have had to deal with. That, I believe, is what happens to cops who have to deal with aggressive, defiant criminals who end up getting away all the time, so when they finally catch someone who is being cooperative, they can't shift gears and treat that person in a respectful way because they are too accustomed to dealing with conflict.

It is really no different than in a discussion forum like this one where people are so hostile and conflictual and rude most of the time, that when someone just tries to be polite and engage in reasonable discussion, they are likely to encounter hostilities from others who are used to being on edge due to the ubiquity of conflict and hostility they are used to dealing with.
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2020 03:21 pm
Do you trust a jobs report put out by people Trump threatens to fire if he does not like what they say?

I sure as hell don't!
coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2020 04:13 pm
@TheCobbler,
Quote:
threatens to fire if he does not like what they say?

Obama just fired them, and no one said one thing.
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2020 07:46 pm
Schmidt: Trump, Barr building 'thugocracy' with secret police
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/schmidt-trump-barr-building-thugocracy-with-secret-police-84456005946
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TheCobbler
 
  2  
Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2020 07:48 pm
@coldjoint,
No, Obama did not fire people in the government tasked with counting jobs.

Liar.

Obama also did not threaten them with being fired if he did not like their report.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2020 08:34 pm
@TheCobbler,
Quote:
No, Obama did not fire people in the government tasked with counting jobs.

Can you prove that, he fired a lot of people. Like all the ambassadors the first day after he was elected?
coldjoint
 
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Reply Fri 5 Jun, 2020 09:14 pm
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ICYMI: Biden Repeats Himself 3 Times in Less Than One Minute in Virtual Town Hall

Earth to Joe! This guy is shot.
https://tammybruce.com/2020/06/icymi-joe-biden-repeats-himself-three-times-in-less-than-one-minute-in-virtual-town-hall.html
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