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Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

 
 
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 12:39 pm
@oralloy,
what you call facts aren't.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 12:50 pm
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livinglava
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 01:01 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Wrong again. She is being falsely accused of racism. And she is being falsely accused of making a fake 911 call.

She did nothing wrong. There is no reason for her to be ashamed, and there is certainly no reason for me to be ashamed.

Have you considered maybe she is just being nice and acknowledging that in retrospect she overreacted?

Sometimes people come across as threatening because they say and/or do something ominous that is just meant to 'bear arms,' and once the argument de-escalates, the people realize that they were just looming at each other to stand their ground and they realize that neither one was really looking to do any harm to the other.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 01:02 pm
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EY9uzd1WoAMjle4?format=jpg&name=small
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 04:32 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
This is certainly not going to be a time when you are right and everybody else is wrong.

Wrong again. People have the right to protect themselves when a black man tries to kill their pet.

Since calling 911 is out, the three S's are going to be their only option.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 04:33 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Not when the crowd knows what's right and you don't.

You lynch mobs have never been right at any point in human history.


MontereyJack wrote:
Claims that appeal to authority is a fallacy are usually made by people who have no idea what they are talking about.

Wrong again. The rules of logic are used by people who do know what they are talking about.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 04:34 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
what you call facts aren't.

You cannot point out a single untrue statement in my posts.

It is a fact that this thug told her that she was not going to like what he was about to do and then tried to lure her pet away from her.

I hear that someone protected themselves from one of the thugs in Detroit last night. Looks like the three S's are already being applied. I applaud and support the people who defended themselves.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 04:35 pm
@livinglava,
livinglava wrote:
Have you considered maybe she is just being nice and acknowledging that in retrospect she overreacted?

She didn't overreact. This thug told her that she wasn't going to like what he was about to do and then tried to lure her pet away from her.

Her life would be much better right now if she'd applied the three S's.
livinglava
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 05:01 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

livinglava wrote:
Have you considered maybe she is just being nice and acknowledging that in retrospect she overreacted?

She didn't overreact. This thug told her that she wasn't going to like what he was about to do and then tried to lure her pet away from her.

Her life would be much better right now if she'd applied the three S's.

You didn't understand my post. Let me explain it in terms of a hypothetical example between you and me, where you have you dog off your leash and I tell you to leash it and you get defensive and tell me where I can stick it, and then I get angry and decide to teach you a lesson about why you should have your dog on a leash by acting like I'm going to take the dog. Then, you think, "hell no I'm not going to put up with this guy playing this game" so I say if you're going to take my dog, I'll call the police; and by then I should just back down and admit I'm not really interested in stealing your dog, I'm just trying to teach you a lesson because you won't leash your dog; but at this point I am so angry with you that you're going to actually call the police on me, I'm furious; so by then it has just escalated to a situation where neither of us were really afraid of the other; we were just standing our ground and the tactics kept getting more aggressive until I was trying to teach you a lesson by pretending to steal your dog and you were trying to teach me a lesson by calling the police on me for dog-stealing.

This kind of thing happens all the time in arguments, especially when people are on edge because of COVID19, etc. So I don't actually think the guy intended to steal her dog, though he should have known that when he said it, she would take it as a real threat and call the police; but maybe at this point she doesn't want to take it any further because she realizes he was just saying that to teach her a lesson about leashing her dog, but now the media is involved making her the bad guy for calling the police on a black man to one-up him, which some people equate with calling the KKK, which is in itself presumptive and racist-ist, because she might not have meant it that way but only as a way of standing up to his dog-stealing threat.
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goldberg
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 08:23 pm
@coldjoint,
How white America excuses its own violence
The killing of George Floyd has, like other killings of black Americans, been quickly repurposed as a story about the violence of the ensuing protests.
BY EMILY TAMKIN

"George Floyd was killed by the police on Monday. The officer who arrested him had him on the ground, his knee pressed onto Floyd’s neck. Floyd begged for his life; he said he couldn’t breathe. The officer did not take his knee off Floyd’s neck, and George Floyd, a 46-year-old black American, was dead.

This was recorded by a teenage girl, 17-year-old Darnella Frazier. Because it was recorded, the four officers involved in Floyd’s death were fired on Tuesday. Online city records show that the officer who killed him, a white man named Derek Chauvin, has had 17 complaints filed against him. Sixteen of those complaints were closed without any disciplinary action.

Protesters filled the streets after Floyd’s death. On Tuesday night police fired tear gas at those protesting, an action notably absent from the predominantly white protests against stay-at-home orders earlier this month. On Wednesday, CNN reported that “protests transitioned to rioting and looting”; the looting of a Minneapolis Target received particular attention. Prosecutors said on Thursday that no-one had been charged but that justice would be served. On Thursday night, protesters lit a Minneapolis police station on fire.

“....These THUGS are dishonoring the memory of George Floyd, and I won’t let that happen. Just spoke to Governor Tim Walz and told him that the Military is with him all the way. Any difficulty and we will assume control but, when the looting starts, the shooting starts,” Donald Trump tweeted (Trump was quoting a 1967 line from Miami Police Chief Walter Headley, who said in the same year: "We don't mind being accused of police brutality; they haven't seen anything yet.") Twitter decided that the tweet violated community rules for glorifying violence, but let it remain up as a matter of public interest. Meanwhile, Omar Jimenez, a black CNN reporter covering the protests, was arrested live on TV despite having clearly identified himself to the police.

If this reads as familiar, it’s because it is. This is also what happened after Michael Brown Jr was killed by the police in Ferguson, Missouri in 2014. It is also what happened after Freddie Gray died in the back of a police van in Baltimore, Maryland in 2015. A black man — or child, in the case of Brown — dies at the hands of the police and white Americans point to the violence of the protests.

The protests “turned violent”. The looting could not be borne. A black American is killed, the police are met with violent protests, and white America gawks at the violence of the protests, not the violence of the system to which they are responding.

Barack Obama condemned the violence in Baltimore. "Who will protect rights, lives and property of city's residents?”, a Fox News opinion piece asked. But the violence of the protests was the second half of the story; the first was the violence against which they were rioting.

“In West Baltimore, some residents see rioting as a rational response to daily despair,” Jenée Desmond-Harris wrote for Vox back in 2015.

Similarly, if the looting of a Target in Minneapolis had happened in a vacuum, then perhaps we could sit around condemning taking something from a Target. But we are not in a vacuum. We are days after a black man was killed by the police in a city where police cannot seem to stop killing black men.

To say, “Well, a black man did have his breath cut off by a police officer’s knee for several minutes, but it’s wrong to hurt a Target”, or “looting undermines your cause”, or “I just don’t think violence is the answer”, is to put them on the same level. But they are not on the same level.

And yet there are many people, as there were after Ferguson and Baltimore, who are eager to focus on the wrongness of looting a Target instead of the wrongness of killing a man, or say that the one somehow negates the other, so we don’t need to talk about George Floyd.

“The question I’m trying to raise is a very serious question. The mass media — television and all the major news agencies — endlessly use that word ‘looter’,” the writer James Baldwin told Esquire in 1968. “On television you always see black hands reaching in, you know. And so the American public concludes that these savages are trying to steal everything from us, And no one has seriously tried to get where the trouble is. After all, you’re accusing a captive population who has been robbed of everything of looting. I think it’s obscene.”

This is not only how white America responds to looting. It is also how it — how we — respond to the victim. White America claims that Floyd had resisted arrest, just like white America said Michael Brown was no angel, as if either of these contentions could be grounds for summary execution. White America will make excuses, because white America still will not take responsibility.

This, incidentally, is what another incident across the country on Monday had in common with events in Minneapolis. Standing in Central Park, avid birder Christian Cooper asked Amy Cooper (no relation) to put her dog on a leash. She was in an area where dogs are not supposed to be unleashed.

Rather than admit wrongdoing, or say sorry and put her dog on a leash, Amy Cooper threatened to call the police on, as she made a point of repeating, “an African American man”. Both Amy Cooper and Christian Cooper would have been aware of the threat this implied.

White America will continue to threaten to call the police. White America will continue to decry rioting and looting, because white America simply cannot stand for threatening behaviour or violence — save, of course, for the systemic violence established, protected, perpetuated and excused by white America."

The author is the New Statesman’s US editor. She's WHITE.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 08:33 pm
@goldberg,
Quote:
How white America excuses its own violence

I will not read your racist article. All whites are not the same. You lose before you get started.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 08:53 pm
@coldjoint,
the violence has been perpetrated almost entirely by one side for four hundred years. It's never stoped. It may have abated a little, but it's never stopped. Emmet Till, MLK, Trayvon, Ahmaud Arbery, George Floyd, on and on.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 08:56 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
the violence has been perpetrated almost entirely by one side for four hundred years

Not in the inner cities. Easy on the drama. Blacks kill more Blacks than any other race. That is a fact.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 08:58 pm
@coldjoint,
stop ignoring history and reality.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 08:59 pm
@coldjoint,
Self application would approiate here.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 09:00 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
stop ignoring history and reality.

Stop rewriting history and ignoring reality.
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goldberg
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 09:24 pm
@goldberg,
Toni Morrison, the author of Beloved, also used the word white America in an article published by the New Yorker. She's so lucky that she doesn't have to agonize over what's happening in America anymore. She spent her life fighting for social causes as a black novelist; she also used her writing to drum up support for the rights of individuals, whilst declaiming against government overreach.

It's time for other black writers like Ta-Nehisi Coates to do the heavy lifting of telling Trump that America is still a melting pot instead of the playground of white people. And it would be foolhardy for white racists to call protesters looters since white immigrants also annexed or purloined the land that used to be owned by Indian Americans- lo and behold- in the name of bringing civilization to a barren place. Ironically, such white miscreants claiming to be learned men only resorted to force to bring Indian Americans to their knees. And they justified their acts of cruelty by arguing that they were actually helping Indian Americans get educated.

Japan's marauding troops delivered the same message when they started launching an attack against Chinese civilians during the world war 11, telling them that they were coming to China to help the Chinese slough off bad habits. They killed men and kids. They raped women and young girls. They tore their bodies into pieces with Japanese swords without burying their blood-drenched bodies.

It's so shocking that some racists still try to white-wash such atrocities and even suggest that they have the right to teach people from left-behind places because they are from the white West or want to be part of it.

Speaking to a reporter, a Japanese politician said Japan is supposed to be part of the West.

Maybe I could make a bundle with sales of barrels of flour in Japan with this catchphrase.

" Jump in and become white."
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goldberg
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 09:30 pm
@coldjoint,
The author Emily Tamkin is a white American woman who writes for a big-name British publication. You don't even have a chance to write even one article for Fox News's website. So stop patronizing us here.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 09:32 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Trayvon, Ahmaud Arbery

Both killed in justified self defense when they violently attacked someone.

Don't attack people, and people won't have to defend themselves from you.

Simple, no?
goldberg
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2020 09:35 pm
@oralloy,
Just show us your latest column published by Clown magazine.
 

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