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Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 25 May, 2020 11:47 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Neither of those cases has any relation to the case of the disappearing biological father refusing to pay anything and putting the entire cost of raising his offspring and forcing her to bear all the quite large expenses herself

They are examples of other times when people like you wanted someone to be charged with a crime.

You are very much like the people who wanted Rosa Parks to be arrested in fact.


MontereyJack wrote:
for what he was responsible.

Hardly responsible. He was not a party to the decision to have the child.


MontereyJack wrote:
No taxation without representation is entirely inapplicable.

You are denying representation to the potential father and then expecting him to pay for decisions that other people make for him.


MontereyJack wrote:
More like, if you do the crime, you pay the fine.

Good luck imposing a fine when the guy has disappeared and can't be found.
oralloy
 
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Reply Mon 25 May, 2020 11:48 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Your opinion of what is a crime and what is not is just your opinion.

I didn't give any opinion. "That it's not a crime for the government to pressure other governments by withholding aid" is a fact.


MontereyJack wrote:
You are not a noted legal scholar, many of which disagreed with your opinion,

Appeals to authority are a logical fallacy.


MontereyJack wrote:
as most people do on most topics.

Appeals to the crowd are a logical fallacy.


MontereyJack wrote:
And impeachment was over before coronavirus heated up anway.

That was precisely the time that the government needed to not be distracted by a sham impeachment.

Shame on the Democrats for killing 100,000 Americans.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 25 May, 2020 11:59 pm
@MontereyJack,
These jokers come up with that impeachment horseshit because they want to distract from the fat boy's failure to effectively deal with this pandemic. It's the same with his attacks on WHO. That agency began warning of the pandemic in January--and many countries which did not have narcissistic morons in charge, began at least attempting to deal with it. The fat boy's response? Wait until mid-March, then ban flights from China. Anything but admit that der fuhrer screwed up . . . yet again.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 12:17 am
@Setanta,
That the Democrats disrupted the government with a sham impeachment for the entire month of January and the first week of February is a matter of historical record.

The President banned travel from China at the very beginning of February, not in mid-March.

Joe Biden called the President a xenophobe immediately after he issued the travel ban.
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 07:37 am
@oralloy,
Trump only barred Chinese nationals from entering the country. This amounted to over 400,000 people to come in from known infected areas. How you think that's a "win" is beyond a rational thought.

Essentially, you're saying Trump cannot handle a high pressure situation, let alone two, simultaneously. Great. How do you think he'd react in a war situation? Blame the guns for not shooting the enemy?
livinglava
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 08:04 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

These jokers come up with that impeachment horseshit because they want to distract from the fat boy's failure to effectively deal with this pandemic. It's the same with his attacks on WHO. That agency began warning of the pandemic in January--and many countries which did not have narcissistic morons in charge, began at least attempting to deal with it. The fat boy's response? Wait until mid-March, then ban flights from China. Anything but admit that der fuhrer screwed up . . . yet again.

You can't trust the WHO or any other such organization, because they are all subject to manipulation by global political-economic interests.

If COVID19 had been a false alarm or over-exaggerated alarm to provoke a certain political-economic response, and the president plays into their hands; he would be cooperating with terrorism.

The president thus has to wait until there is sufficient cause to respond, not just trust the WHO or anyone else because they are communicating a message that may be just based on false information designed to trigger a certain response.
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 09:14 am
@neptuneblue,
Johns Hopkins map of Covid-19 infections "TODAY 5/26/20"! Canada is doing a horrible job of protecting it citizens from the virus spread! And Trump is right, we are ready to reopen our country any day now! Trump deserves a medal for all the hard work he has done to protect our country. (cynical)
https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/100779221_10157748526208778_764016317647814656_o.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=JaTVDO5D11QAX-VEcVj&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=8e209a8875faa489556edd3de3e57786&oe=5EF452CB
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 09:23 am
The number of covid19 cases in Canada:

Confirmed
85,710
+1,012
Recovered
44,638
Deaths
6,545
+121

The number of covid19 cases in the United States

Confirmed
1,700,000
+18,586
Recovered
353,000
Deaths
99,498
+504

The population of the United States is ten times that of Canada. But the figures for Canada are far less than 10% of those of the United States. Canada is doing a far better job of protecting its citizens than the U.S.
TheCobbler
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 09:49 am
Mexico is saying, by all means Mr. Trump build your wall, build your wall!

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Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 09:59 am
@Setanta,
Quote:
The population of the United States is ten times that of Canada. But the figures for Canada are far less than 10% of those of the United States. Canada is doing a far better job of protecting its citizens than the U.S.


The tale of the tape is going to be in the states, and not at the federal level. We already know blue states have been hit the hardest and they are also the ones who implemented the most restrictive rules on their people. All you have to do is look at Florida vs New York and how things went. Dem controlled states have fared far worse than Rep controlled states, with a few exceptions like CO where our Dem Governor who didn't lock us down with an iron fist, we were one of the first states to reopen and we are doing just fine. Michigan is still on lock down and they are still suffering. My state was also one of the first to properly adjust their Covid deaths to reflect people who actually died from the virus instead of just dying and having it. If he can just unlatch us from the CA clean air/car rules, he might actually earn my vote in the next election.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 10:03 am
@neptuneblue,
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Trump only barred Chinese nationals from entering the country.

Are you saying he should have refused US citizens and legal immigrants from reentering the country? Only a leftists would bar their fellow Americans from entry into their own country.

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This amounted to over 400,000 people to come in from known infected areas. How you think that's a "win" is beyond a rational thought.

Let fix this for you. Trump allowed 400,000 US citizens and legal immigrants entry into the US at the start of the Pandemic. You are one of those same fools who likely called him a racist for imposing the Chinese travel ban in the first place. Now you complain he allowed your fellow Americans into the country.
livinglava
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 10:17 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

The population of the United States is ten times that of Canada. But the figures for Canada are far less than 10% of those of the United States. Canada is doing a far better job of protecting its citizens than the U.S.

What are people doing to protect themselves in Canada, then? What exactly is the difference?
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TheCobbler
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 10:18 am
@Baldimo,
Blue states will still be blue after Trump is done infecting them with the virus but will red states still be red?

Red states are behind the curve and the stats are not out on that yet.

Will red states fare better than blues states? Not likely...
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neptuneblue
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 10:19 am
@Baldimo,
I'm saying you can't have it both ways.

If it were right to bar Chinese nationals from entering the country because they were exposed to a pathogen, then it certainly follows even American citizens should not enter the country for the exact same reason.

Now, if it was right to bar Chinese nationals but not Americans, because of the exact same exposure, then Trump let the country down by exposing us to that pathogen.

Pick a path. But at least be consistent.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 10:31 am
@Setanta,
Quote:
That agency began warning of the pandemic in January-

They also said it was not spread by human contact. Believing them caused more deaths than any American did, including Trump.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 10:32 am
@neptuneblue,
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I'm saying you can't have it both ways.

Actually we can have it both ways, Citizenship has it's privileges and one of those is not being barred entry. We can prevent any none citizen from entering, it's our right as a sovereign nation.

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If it were right to bar Chinese nationals from entering the country because they were exposed to a pathogen, then it certainly follows even American citizens should not enter the country for the exact same reason.

Do you realize how stupid this sounds? We should never bar entry to the US to our own citizens. If anything, they should have been quarantined when they came in but never barred entry.

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Now, if it was right to bar Chinese nationals but not Americans, because of the exact same exposure, then Trump let the country down by exposing us to that pathogen.

Not sure why you are sticking up for Chinese nationals and not American citizens, but it's pathetic and only a leftist would do such a thing. You claim to be a Patriot and yet you think your own fellow Americans should have been left to a subpar medical system in China instead of the best medical system in the world in the US? You leftists really do hate your fellow Americans, and it shows up during the pandemic.

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Pick a path. But at least be consistent.

Allowing US citizens into their own country in consistent with American values. Being worried about foreign nationals not getting that same access is anti-american and counter productive. Why do you carry so much have for your fellow Americans and yet want to give clearance to Chinese Communists? We really know who you support in this battle, and it isn't your fellow Americans and the US. Tell me, how much has China paid you for such posts?
neptuneblue
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 10:36 am
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:
If anything, they should have been quarantined when they came in but never barred entry.


And that, my friend, is the answer.
livinglava
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 10:38 am
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

Quote:
If it were right to bar Chinese nationals from entering the country because they were exposed to a pathogen, then it certainly follows even American citizens should not enter the country for the exact same reason.

Do you realize how stupid this sounds? We should never bar entry to the US to our own citizens. If anything, they should have been quarantined when they came in but never barred entry.

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Now, if it was right to bar Chinese nationals but not Americans, because of the exact same exposure, then Trump let the country down by exposing us to that pathogen.

Not sure why you are sticking up for Chinese nationals and not American citizens, but it's pathetic and only a leftist would do such a thing. You claim to be a Patriot and yet you think your own fellow Americans should have been left to a subpar medical system in China instead of the best medical system in the world in the US? You leftists really do hate your fellow Americans, and it shows up during the pandemic.

What if the citizens returning from abroad are being used as vectors for carrying a disease as a type of biological attack?

I remember when the news reported Iran was releasing US prisoners as a result of the pandemic, at first I thought it was a nice gesture of peace during a time when petty conflicts should be put aside; but then I realized that they probably just wanted to spread the disease to the US and releasing US citizens was the easiest way to do so.

Quarantine might be the solution, but you shouldn't assume that US citizens can't be used tactically by anti-US interests in various ways, even if it doesn't involve those citizens actually cooperating in some way.
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 10:38 am
@Baldimo,
You do know about density dependent diseases, don't you? Covid is one. Blue states have more people with higher population densities, so there are more exposures to more carriers, ,i.e. cities, get harder hit. That's simple epidemiology. Blue states and their people do better economically and educationally and living-quality wise because they have more productive people in them. That's why blue states subsidize red states rather than vice versa. That's why blue states are Democratic. That's why blue states were discriminated against by Trump's appallingly bad partisan ineffective attempts to deal with the disease.
livinglava
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2020 10:49 am
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:

You do know about density dependent diseases, don't you? Covid is one. Blue states have more people with higher population densities, so there are more exposures to more carriers, ,i.e. cities, get harder hit.

Surely there are nuances. Contact/exposure levels are determined by behavior, not just the number of bodies per square mile, right?

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That's simple epidemiology. Blue states and their people do better economically and educationally and living-quality wise because they have more productive people in them.

You are assuming a lot here. NYC has Broadway theater, for example, which is really high quality entertainment for people who can afford it; but if those people paying for it aren't making money, they can't afford it either and that doesn't mean everyone involved isn't being as productive, except in the narrowest sense of the word.

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That's why blue states subsidize red states rather than vice versa.

Economics are complex. If rich people move to an area and bid up the prices on property and other things there, more money is circulating and thus GDP is higher, but there is also inflation where 1000 square feet of living space might cost many times more in one city than another, so there's not more being produced by one 1000sf apartment than another, but one is still generating more revenue than the other, and because of that, the landlord has more income to spend, which means more revenues for local businesses, who can then afford to pay employees more, so they can pay higher rent, etc.

So inflation in one area can be used to subsidize other areas that are less inflated, i.e. because a dollar is worth more there; but in a way keeping prices deflated in those other areas subsidizes the more inflated areas by giving them cheaper investment opportunities when they invest in lower-wage economies, just as when corporations invest in offshore production facilities because labor is cheaper there. That is also a sort of subsidy for businesses to invest cheaper.
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That's why blue states are Democratic. That's why blue states were discriminated against by Trump's appallingly bad partisan ineffective attempts to deal with the disease.

What can be done? People have to isolate and social-distance as best they can. There's no magic forcefield you can put up that prevents people from interacting and spreading the virus. We are all responsible for our own actions and when people act irresponsibly, it spreads the virus.
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