Turning The Ballot Box Against Republicans

Says someone who consistently tries to bolster his cites by citing worthless sites from way far it on the wild-eved fringes,and then think that somehow proves his fantasies are reality. Who flat out denies the truth of anything printed in the pepers of record that have been exercising responsible journalism and won numerous awards for it. Anyone who'd believe Breitbart over, say, the NYT, is seriously out of step with reality.

He's in better shape than the artery-clogged lump of lard, and his skin is natural, not cheap bronzer.

this coming from a republican governor...




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'Liberation' can be interpreted (and achieved) in many ways that don't lead to increasing infections/deaths.

People are rightly worried about the economic perils of so much being shut down, so it makes sense to liberate them from that fear by coming up with alternative economic activities that support life in a way that doesn't threaten it with unnecessary viral exposure.

We were already trying to come up with ways to reform the economy to support life without harming the environment and climate for future generations, so this is just an additional concern to take into account.

The irony/problem/challenge is how to liberate people economically without stimulating them to go back into their environmentally/climate-unsustainable habits/patterns.

Reform = liberation.
Liberty = freedom to reform independently in a way that doesn't trigger governmental response or other negative societal reactions.

We can't expect government not to act when we are failing to use liberty responsibly. Whether it's COVID19 infections/deaths that people are failing to prevent or climate change and other shorter-term environmental harm, people can't expect others (government or otherwise) to sit back and do nothing while health and sustainability are trampled by people who think freedom means nothing more than getting away with doing whatever they want without concern for others and the bigger picture of future sustainability.

Please don't talk liberty to liberals...

Your liberty is fake liberty just like everything else in your ******* party...

You think it bothers you more than it bothers me what I had to go through as someone once thought that unbridled freedom was the purpose of liberty before realizing it is the ammunition used to undermine liberty and the reason why we get subject to so much repressive regulation is because of liberalism?

What I'm not sure about is when liberalism was first launched as an assault against liberty. It was probably long before the USA had a declaration of independence.

These people are not liberals. Just look at the intolerance in some of the posts. Liberals defend free speech, these people censor it. Do not insult true liberals who tolerate other opinions because it is what is right. There is not much right about these people at all.

The kind of liberalism I'm referring to is not specific to Democrats or Republicans, because there are plenty of people who vote Republican who are liberal in various ways, especially in terms of personal choices/actions, investment, personal spending, business waste, etc.

Liberalism is failing to take responsibility for limiting your own freedom in deference to your own conscience, best judgement, etc.

It's when you rationalize doing whatever you want instead of figuring out what is right and governing yourself accordingly. Liberty involves voluntary personal sacrifice and/or saying no to things that could otherwise benefit you in some way.

Liberty is the foundation of the principle that people can govern themselves better than any king or other government. When liberalism perverts/abuses it by rationalizing irresponsible exercises of freedom, it only invites more problems/government/regulation.

Unbridled freedom? Like unregulated guns and militias? Republican crazies with guns?

Racist freedom of speech?

Rapists rights and taking away healthcare so criminals can get rich?

Polluting the air, lakes, streams and the ocean to make a lousy buck?

Is this the "unbridled freedom" you speak of?

Republican lies that are called news and fed to their gullible uneducated people?

I would say the tea party marked the main point where liberalism became an assault on liberty and it has intensified into terrorism.

Guns and bibles, fake religion and liberty gone amok.

Conservative groups that think freedom is disenfranchising voters.

KKK white power.

You are a puppet and not a very bright one at that.

This is not liberty you speak of, it is tyranny. It is an outright assault on democracy.

Unbridled freedom = shooting/bearing arms unnecessarily and without concern for the effects, such as noise
Liberty = having a gun and being prepared to bear/use it if necessary, but avoiding doing so otherwise.


If you truly hold views that are racist and/or collectivist in other ways, part of liberty is being able to express your thinking in a way that explains why you believe that way, even if it's unpopular with others. There is a difference between explaining your views, racist or otherwise, without the intent to harass or otherwise harm, and having the intent to dishonor people's fundamental right to be respected as being 'created equal.' Now you may say that racist views can't exist in a person who truly sees everyone as being created equal, but if they do for some reason, then their job is separate their freedom of belief and speech from the intent to commit social actions that discriminate or otherwise dishonor the rights of others.

Also, note that you are attributing racism to Republicans and ignoring it in Democrats, when the fact is that many Democrats think in racist and other collectivist ways, and part of their racism is to scapegoat Republicans as the racist party so that they can whitewash themselves by reference to their political affiliation, which is akin to saying, "I can't be racist because I have black friends."


Why don't you see the Democrats as responsible for that?


You're confusing government with the people. Every time you give money at the gas station, you are paying for environmental/climate degradation. Your party may whitewash your driving by raising fuel economy standards and building pedestrian bridges to fund car payments for the construction workers who build them, but Democrats are supporting the polluting industries even while they pat themselves on the back for creating more jobs in those industries with weak regulations and monitoring requirements.


It comes in many different forms, but the one Democrats exacerbate the most is the idea that raising wages for everyone and stimulating an inflationary economy that discourages saving is not harmful. Basically Democrats assume that people who make money are going to spend it and/or that they should, and then they want to expand the liberal spending as much as possible.


Many Democrats are gullible precisely because they are 'educated' to simply accept whatever comes out of people's mouths if they have a title or some kind of professional status. Democrats just accept authority unquestioningly unless it is Republican, and then they fight it doggedly without questioning the implicit order to do so.


I think the sexual revolution of the 1960s on is the best example of how liberal culture exploded into the abortion war that is still going on now.


If you're completely inculcated into liberal partisanship, you're only going to defend Democrats by scapegoating/attacking Republicans. It is your collective ego. You cannot show any weakness by questioning your partisan stance.


Voters who think the purpose of voting is to take over government and use it as an instrument for redistributing wealth/property, as Madison predicted:



The Democratic party was the party of white power and though it supposedly changed in the 1960s/70s, it may just be that they gave themselves a makeover by bringing in all the countercultural 'deplorables' of that time and using them as a mask/facade to cover up policy and spending efforts that they knew would prevent and undermine actual progress in liberty for all people.


It feels so strange to me when Democrats say things like this, because I could easily say the same if they didn't beat me to the punch. It's like having a critique and having the person you are critiquing say it to you before you can say it to them.


I explained liberty very well. You on the other hand post a barrage of emotionally-explosive accusations and scapegoating, which is exactly an example of how liberals drum up a frenzy of hysteria to prevent people from settling down and discussing things reasonably.

Gun owners who think gun ownership is an instrument to take over government.

You are so shallow you cannot see your own contradiction.

But to give tax breaks to the rich so they don't pay taxes? That kind of wealth/property redistribution is okay?

...and you vote with that brain?



Gullible because they are educated?

You are neither educated or wise, but a damned fool.

You call a junk food diet on Russian propaganda education?
You call armed protests peaceful and handouts for the rich capitalism?

With an 'education' like yours, who needs a brain?

Raise your hands if you think fifty black men at the state Capitol with semiautomatic rifles would be treated as just practicing their constitutional right to peaceful protest by the media and law enforcement.

Hold ‘em up, so I can count them. Shouldn’t take long.

If they were showing the correct flag as well ...



... that might be possible.

Nah. Fifty black men? Confederate flavor flags? They’d be rounded up as armed crazies. You serious?

At least it would get a honourable mention by the craziest posters here.

You think any or all of them are crazy enough to think it would be blandly accepted if these armed protests were black men?

No, but they'll take the chance to post it here as support for their perfide ideas.

"Take over government," how exactly?
You seem to understand very little about the relationship between force and government in general. Your game seems to be about provoking interfactional conflict.


No, I'm just to stupid to see that you're playing games here instead of trying to have real discussion with some other goal that provoking conflict and hate.


Obviously if you want to justify redistribution of wealth, you're going to argue that resistance to taxation is also a form of redistribution because that implied that everything is fundamentally common property and thus anything is redistribution.

Consider this: when you stimulate GDP growth and thus inflation, you are taxing savings and by doing so manipulating people to redistribute themselves to employers. Democrats always frame 'jobs' as an asset when, in reality, people are selling themselves into contract-indenturement, which is a form of redistribution of human freedom to corporate control.

Why do you want to subsidize corporations with human freedom?


You mean the brain that you are spitting on by saying this?


So it's not foolish to turn off your critical mind because the person preaching to you has a higher degree and a job in education, or with a prestigious media outlet?


You're just full of soundbites, but they're no substitute for reason-based discussion.


Does frothing and spitting hate make you feel better than discussing things civilly?

What does this have to do with speaking to whether the right to bear arms is a fundamentally legitimate liberty or not?

You either think that arms-bearing should be subject to governmental authority or not.

Saying there are racial biases in how gun ownership is perceived just obfuscates the fundamental issue and stimulates angry conflict over perceived inequality.

Some people who have guns are criminal and others are law-abiding. There are law-abiding people with guns who are black as well as white; and there are criminals with guns who are black as well as white.

Talking in terms of race obfuscates the real issue, which is how to deal with criminality and whether or not law-abiding people (white, black, and/or otherwise) should be allowed to bear arms to protect themselves against crime.

Answer the question.