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Bush Opposes Using Embryos for Research

 
 
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2004 05:16 am
That they contain elements found nowhere else in that combination is due to the fact they derive from the same source as viable human beings. Under a different set of circumstances they might have become human beings. But, they are not and never will be people.
The argument about the deceaced in this discussion is a trogan horse. Not related at all.
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NickFun
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2004 07:55 am
edgarblythe you are talking sense. Please don't do that in a forum dealing in religion and misguided beliefs! Stem cells could provide an enormous benefit to humanity but that's just the common sense in me talking. Pay no attention.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2004 08:05 am
If the religious right stopped making campaign contributions to bushinc they mght change their mind because that's the only motivation behind his "moral" decisions.....which decision will keep the money rolling in from the snake handlers?
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2004 08:06 am
Religion a burden mankind imposed upon itself. There should be a religion called secularism where people prayed at the shrine of reason and common sense rather than superstition and mysticism.
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kickycan
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2004 08:20 am
Miller wrote:
kickycan wrote:
Miller, if embryos are sacred human tissue, then why aren't dead people?


The bodies of the deceased are sacred. That's one reason, why so many individuals worked so hard to recover body parts following the events at the WTC on 9/11/01.


If that's true, then do you believe organ donation is also morally wrong? And when medical students study using cadavers, that is also morally wrong?
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2004 08:21 am
kickycan wrote:
Miller wrote:
kickycan wrote:
Miller, if embryos are sacred human tissue, then why aren't dead people?


The bodies of the deceased are sacred. That's one reason, why so many individuals worked so hard to recover body parts following the events at the WTC on 9/11/01.


If that's true, then do you believe organ donation is also morally wrong? And when medical students study using cadavers, that is also morally wrong?


I am a full cadaver donor. I also bvelieve in God. I'm not worried about having to answer to him for donating my body.
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2004 08:41 am
Talk is that Nancy Reagan will begin pushing the for the research in ernest and that she has considerable backing from all sides of the political spectrum. The Bush brain trust may be forced to reevaluate their position.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2004 08:42 am
If anyone can do it, Nancy can.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2004 04:35 pm
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Religion a burden mankind imposed upon itself. There should be a religion called secularism where people prayed at the shrine of reason and common sense rather than superstition and mysticism.


There is, but it isn't a religion.....it's a philosophy:

http://www.aynrand.org/objectivism/essentials.html
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2004 05:16 pm
Phoenix32890
Isn't a religion a philosophy and a philosophy a religion.?
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2004 05:25 pm
Quote:
phi·los·o·phy (fĭ-lŏs'ə-fē)
n., pl. -phies.
Love and pursuit of wisdom by intellectual means and moral self-discipline.
Investigation of the nature, causes, or principles of reality, knowledge, or values, based on logical reasoning rather than empirical methods.
A system of thought based on or involving such inquiry: the philosophy of Hume.
The critical analysis of fundamental assumptions or beliefs.
The disciplines presented in university curriculums of science and the liberal arts, except medicine, law, and theology.
The discipline comprising logic, ethics, aesthetics, metaphysics, and epistemology.
A set of ideas or beliefs relating to a particular field or activity; an underlying theory: an original philosophy of advertising.
A system of values by which one lives: has an unusual philosophy of life.
[Middle English philosophie, from Old French, from Latin philosophia, from Greek philosophiā, from philosophos, lover of wisdom, philosopher. See philosopher.]


Quote:
re·li·gion (rĭ-lĭj'ən)
n.

Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.


Although both philosophy and religion offer a world view, they are very different at their core. Philosophy is based on reason and logic, the other on blind faith. Apples and oranges!
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Miller
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jun, 2004 09:58 am
Phoenix32890 wrote:
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If you decide to move to another Country, you'll have to leave your NSF and NIH grants ( if you should have any ) behind in the USA.


Miller- So? What good are the grants if your hands are tied?


Grants are issued to accomplish specific goals. If you deviate from these goals, you stand the chance of facing criminal charges. If you do the research, funded by the grants, your hands will not be tied.
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au1929
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jun, 2004 10:01 am
Phoenix32890
If not the same at the very least kissin cousins
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au1929
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jun, 2004 10:12 am
Jun 12, 11:09 AM EDT
Kerry on Radio Pushes Stem Cell Research By SIOBHAN McDONOUGH
Associated Press Writer


WASHINGTON (AP) -- John Kerry challenged the Bush administration Saturday to relax restrictions on stem cell research to pursue the potential of finding cures for conditions such as Alzheimer's.
Ethical questions raised by the use of human embryos can be resolved through "good will and good sense," he said.
Kerry, the Democrats' presumed candidate to face President Bush in November, cited Nancy Reagan's efforts to help find a cure for Alzheimer's disease, which debilitated her husband, former President Reagan, for at least a decade before his death last weekend.
"She told the world that Alzheimer's had taken her own husband to a distant place, and then she stood up to help find a breakthrough that someday will spare other husbands, wives, children and parents from the same kind of heartache," Kerry said in the Democrats' weekly radio address.
He spoke after an emotionally stirring week during which the nation honored and buried former the former president.
"Stem cells have the power to slow the loss of a grandmother's memory, calm the hand of an uncle with Parkinson's, save a child from a lifetime of daily insulin shots or permanently lift a best friend from his wheelchair," the Massachusetts senator said.
Stem cells from human embryos can form all types of cells, and scientists contend they could be used one day to replace cells damaged from such conditions as diabetes, spinal cord injury or Parkinson's disease.
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President Bush signed an executive order in August 2001 that limited federal help to financing stem cell research on 78 embryonic stem cell lines then in existence. Stem cells typically are taken from days-old human embryos, then grown in a laboratory into lines or colonies. Because the embryos are destroyed when cells are extracted, the process is opposed by some conservatives who link it to abortion.
Shortly before Reagan's death, Kerry and 57 other senators asked Bush to relax the restrictions, and Mrs. Reagan has long argued that using stem cells from embryos could lead to cures for such diseases as Alzheimer's.
Since she spoke out at a research fund-raiser in May for renewed government commitment to stem cell research, experts have said finding a cure to Alzheimer's, because of how it attacks the brain, would pose a far more daunting challenge than other conditions through the stem cells approach.
On Saturday, Kerry urged the lifting of barriers that block science and medical exploration, so that "researchers can find the cures that are there, if only they are allowed to look."
Ethical issues exist, he said without elaborating, "but people of good will and good sense can resolve them."
Kerry said financing of stem cell research must be a priority in universities and the medical community, as well as federal agencies like the National Institutes of Health and the National Science Foundation.
"If we pursue the limitless potential of our science, and trust that we can use it wisely, we will save millions of lives and earn the gratitude of future generations," he said.


Chalk one up for the good guy!
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jun, 2004 10:17 am
Stem cell research is only one of many approaches in the study of disease, and not necessarily the most promising.

Stem Cells Not Alzheimer's Priority
By MALCOLM RITTER

NEW YORK (AP) - Despite the high profile that Nancy Reagan and others have given the idea of using embryonic stem cells to treat Alzheimer's disease, advances are likely to come faster from other approaches.

Experts cite other more promising efforts that in five to 10 years may be used to fight the disease that led to President Reagan's death.

``I just think everybody feels there are higher priorities for seeking effective treatments for Alzheimer's disease and for identifying preventive strategies,'' said Marilyn Albert, a Johns Hopkins University researcher who chairs the Medical and Scientific Advisory Council of the Alzheimer's Association.
link
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au1929
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jun, 2004 10:34 am
Acquiunk
Whether it is the most promising or not is an unknown. It is however, one of the avenues that show promise and should be pursued without restriction.
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jun, 2004 10:38 am
au1929 wrote:
It is however, one of the avenues that show promise and should be pursued without restriction.


I have no argument with that, but stem cell research is not the cure all some are making it out to be.
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au1929
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jun, 2004 10:44 am
True. But without research we will never know. The results of any research are uncertain. If certainty were a prerequisite we would still be reading by candle light.
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Miller
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jun, 2004 04:59 am
au1929 wrote:
Jun 12, 11:09 AM EDT
Kerry on Radio Pushes Stem Cell Research By SIOBHAN McDONOUGH
Associated Press Writer


WASHINGTON (AP) -- John Kerry challenged the Bush administration Saturday to relax restrictions on stem cell research to pursue the potential of finding cures for conditions such as Alzheimer's.
Ethical questions raised by the use of human embryos can be resolved through "good will and good sense," he said.
Kerry, the Democrats' presumed candidate to face President Bush in November, cited Nancy Reagan's efforts to help find a cure for Alzheimer's disease, which debilitated her husband, former President Reagan, for at least a decade before his death last weekend.
"She told the world that Alzheimer's had taken her own husband to a distant place, and then she stood up to help find a breakthrough that someday will spare other husbands, wives, children and parents from the same kind of heartache," Kerry said in the Democrats' weekly radio address.
He spoke after an emotionally stirring week during which the nation honored and buried former the former president.
"Stem cells have the power to slow the loss of a grandmother's memory, calm the hand of an uncle with Parkinson's, save a child from a lifetime of daily insulin shots or permanently lift a best friend from his wheelchair," the Massachusetts senator said.
Stem cells from human embryos can form all types of cells, and scientists contend they could be used one day to replace cells damaged from such conditions as diabetes, spinal cord injury or Parkinson's disease.
[]
[]
President Bush signed an executive order in August 2001 that limited federal help to financing stem cell research on 78 embryonic stem cell lines then in existence. Stem cells typically are taken from days-old human embryos, then grown in a laboratory into lines or colonies. Because the embryos are destroyed when cells are extracted, the process is opposed by some conservatives who link it to abortion.
Shortly before Reagan's death, Kerry and 57 other senators asked Bush to relax the restrictions, and Mrs. Reagan has long argued that using stem cells from embryos could lead to cures for such diseases as Alzheimer's.
Since she spoke out at a research fund-raiser in May for renewed government commitment to stem cell research, experts have said finding a cure to Alzheimer's, because of how it attacks the brain, would pose a far more daunting challenge than other conditions through the stem cells approach.
On Saturday, Kerry urged the lifting of barriers that block science and medical exploration, so that "researchers can find the cures that are there, if only they are allowed to look."
Ethical issues exist, he said without elaborating, "but people of good will and good sense can resolve them."
Kerry said financing of stem cell research must be a priority in universities and the medical community, as well as federal agencies like the National Institutes of Health and the National Science Foundation.
"If we pursue the limitless potential of our science, and trust that we can use it wisely, we will save millions of lives and earn the gratitude of future generations," he said.


Chalk one up for the good guy!


Interesting to note, that now that Kerry is running for President, he's pushing for medical reserach. Yet, as a Senator for about 20 years, from Massachusetts, did little to nothing to bring Federal money into the Commonwealth for this research.

He's jumped onto the bandwagon, after the band has left town.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Sun 13 Jun, 2004 05:10 am
Quote:
He's jumped onto the bandwagon, after the band has left town.


Miller- I like that quote. Beautifully descriptive! Very Happy
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