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Does pollution exist or is it just another political buzz word?

 
 
Reply Sun 4 Jan, 2015 12:54 pm
environment experts say it does, but other than positive lab tests there is no way to prove what pollution does to us in the vast sky. As to how much it harms us, people live two times longer then they did in the Twenties
 
Ragman
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jan, 2015 01:41 pm
@Rickoshay75,
What? Ever go to Gary Indiana or Cleveland? Furthermore your claim that people are living twice as long as in the '20s is wildly inaccurate and frankly cotton-headed. Where are you getting this disinformation?
Rickoshay75
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jan, 2015 01:50 pm
@Ragman,


Ragman wrote:

What? Ever go to Gary Indiana or Cleveland? Furthermore your claim that people are living twice as long as in the '20s is wildly inaccurate and frankly cotton-headed. Where are you getting this disinformation?


No but I lived near belching smokestacks in LA and saw the black smoke completely disappear as it rose higher into the sky. Seeing is believing
engineer
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jan, 2015 02:13 pm
@Rickoshay75,
If you lived in Louisiana, then you know that down near the delta some communities haven't had a live birth in years, that the cancer rate is many times the national average and the water in the Mississippi delta looks like sludge. There are times in Los Angeles when you the pollution gets trapped close to the ground and you have trouble breathing, especially if you have lung problems. When I was in Shanghai, I could see the air, especially at night when the city lights reflect off of it and air pollution was a major concern at the Olympics a few years ago. I've seen buildings in Warsaw where acid rain has destroyed the brickwork. Locally (NC), coal ash dumps have contaminated local ground water in several communities.

It's not hard to find first hand accounts of damage done by pollution, but if you want more extensive information, just open the computer and look on the Internet. Lots of stories, especially in China and the old Soviet states where they ignored pollution control for decades, but also plenty in the US.
Rickoshay75
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jan, 2015 04:31 pm
@engineer,
engineer wrote:

If you lived in Louisiana, then you know that down near the delta some communities haven't had a live birth in years, that the cancer rate is many times the national average and the water in the Mississippi delta looks like sludge. There are times in Los Angeles when you the pollution gets trapped close to the ground and you have trouble breathing, especially if you have lung problems. When I was in Shanghai, I could see the air, especially at night when the city lights reflect off of it and air pollution was a major concern at the Olympics a few years ago. I've seen buildings in Warsaw where acid rain has destroyed the brickwork. Locally (NC), coal ash dumps have contaminated local ground water in several communities.

It's not hard to find first hand accounts of damage done by pollution, but if you want more extensive information, just open the computer and look on the Internet. Lots of stories, especially in China and the old Soviet states where they ignored pollution control for decades, but also plenty in the US.


As I said, seeing is believing and I saw black smoke from smoke stacks, disappear in the endless sky and that's good enough for me. It's my word against ecologists -- I have nothing to gain, they have everything to gain, including big money, books, papers, and prestige.
engineer
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jan, 2015 05:14 pm
@Rickoshay75,
I've been on a river cruise in Shanghai and watched the pollution first hand (while thinking about breathing it) and seen the sludge in the Mississippi. (From Louisiana myself). Like I said, plenty of examples on the Internet if you want to research it. I was up in the Appalachian Mountains a couple of years ago and you could see large areas of dying forest from pollution.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jan, 2015 05:18 pm
@Rickoshay75,
the discipline of ecology predated the pollution concerns that began in the late 1960s .
Several prescient authors like Rachel Carson had called attention to the flagrant usage of chemicals in agriculture and discharging chemicals to streams.
Blaming ecologists for contamination is like blaming a weatherman for a snowstorm . may times research was surpressed by industries until it became economically viable to become "sustainable" and many large companies that mafx the chemicals opened large sub-companies containing pollution control scientsist and engineers and they began selling thir know-how to other industries .
Today, pollution control and environmental science and engineering is a multibillion dollar industry segment that is quite mature and, what had started as a loose grouping of smaller companies that teamed up to find business, is now a huge industry where large companies have mostly swallowed all these smaller companies into large multinational companies.
I do a lot of work for these big companies where they don't feel the need to keep a department of people in my field, but will periodically hire my company's services to define and quantitate their problems that occur in one arena
Rickoshay75
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jan, 2015 05:37 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

the discipline of ecology predated the pollution concerns that began in the late 1960s .
Several prescient authors like Rachel Carson had called attention to the flagrant usage of chemicals in agriculture and discharging chemicals to streams.
Blaming ecologists for contamination is like blaming a weatherman for a snowstorm . may times research was surpressed by industries until it became economically viable to become "sustainable" and many large companies that mafx the chemicals opened large sub-companies containing pollution control scientsist and engineers and they began selling thir know-how to other industries .
Today, pollution control and environmental science and engineering is a multibillion dollar industry segment that is quite mature and, what had started as a loose grouping of smaller companies that teamed up to find business, is now a huge industry where large companies have mostly swallowed all these smaller companies into large multinational companies.
I do a lot of work for these big companies where they don't feel the need to keep a department of people in my field, but will periodically hire my company's services to define and quantitate their problems that occur in one arena


Because my position on pollution conflicts with your interests I have nothing more to say.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jan, 2015 07:01 pm
@Rickoshay75,
Quote:
Because my position on pollution conflicts with your interests I have nothing more to say
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Are you sad because I didn't agree that ecology is NOT TO BLAME?

Whether you have anything more to say or not is of no consequence to me. There are several people in the forum who are or had been pollution control specialists ( engineers or scientists). Those folks have been working hard to SOLVE problems, not stand around wringing their hands and/or casting blame.


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