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Proof that the speed of light is a universal maximum, is impossible

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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jan, 2015 08:46 am
@peter jeffrey cobb,
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He was the first to give a description of energy. So he could have used any number he wanted
Prhaps Newton's seond law of motion would give one a hint what Einstein was developing in his simplest equation.
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jan, 2015 09:29 am
@farmerman,
Newton's second law would have different results in different mediums.
Depending on the resistance it provides.
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jan, 2015 09:44 am
@peter jeffrey cobb,
but it i THE BASIS for F=m or F=mc^2, Unerstning hy is important.
Don't run till you walk
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jan, 2015 09:50 am
@farmerman,
Aah yes point taken. Thank you.
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jan, 2015 10:20 am
@peter jeffrey cobb,
Seems that Newton's second law is only valid up until light speed. I wonder if the structure of space becomes more rigid when exposed to a certain amount of force?
farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jan, 2015 10:25 am
@peter jeffrey cobb,
That's true but the form of the equation is not bound by the boundary. Its a dimensional equivalent.

Einstein was solving one equation in terms of the units of another .
We do the same with gravity/electromagnetism/Magnetism / and atomic binding force ...That's where Einstein first thought of a grand unified theory and Hawking made his later life's work a "Theory of Everything"
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jan, 2015 10:37 am
@farmerman,
Aah yes I see. I find Hawkins work hard to read. Does he consider space to be a structure?
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jan, 2015 10:51 am
@peter jeffrey cobb,
Well last time I tried to read one of his books was 20 years ago. Maybe it will make more sense to me now.
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jan, 2015 03:40 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
Well all his works has intellectual property so it can't be discussed without his permission.
He uses the spacetime grid system to talk about the time travel concept but never describes the structure of space.
At least not from the public lectures I read so far.
Did anyone find something different? Or is the structure of space still waiting for the first person to describe it?
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jan, 2015 06:41 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
Ok Quantum mechanics does state that space is a structure.
"Loop quantum gravity is based first of all on the idea to take seriously the insight of general relativity that spacetime is a dynamical field and therefore is a quantum object. The second idea is that the quantum discreteness that determines the particle-like behavior of other field theories (for instance, the photons of the electromagnetic field) affects also the structure of space. "
But does anyone know if the structure has been attempted to be described?
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Mon 12 Jan, 2015 08:55 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
The early Universe's gravity was much stronger than any black hole. So the theory of what goes on inside a black hole should be closer to the laws of the early Universe.
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jan, 2015 03:41 am
@peter jeffrey cobb,
Aha found it! It's pretty rough but it's a start.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacetime_algebra
Now how to find out if it's something that is constantly being created, or a separate substance than the rest of the Universe and always been present.
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DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jan, 2015 05:45 am
@peter jeffrey cobb,
There is no reason to say this, as what gravity is now, is not understood.
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jan, 2015 06:30 am
@DNA Thumbs drive,
Could it be part of the composition of an atom?
https://student.societyforscience.org/article/new-particle-may-help-probe-strongest-force-universe
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jan, 2015 07:23 am
@peter jeffrey cobb,
peter jeffrey cobb wrote:
The early Universe's gravity was much stronger than any black hole.
This shows an inaccurate understanding of the theory.

Black Holes are collapsed due to gravitational compression, but the early Universe was collapsed due to space-time compression. The two conditions are quite different.
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jan, 2015 07:31 am
@rosborne979,
If gravity is caused by physical part of an atom, than any atom less mass should not display the effects of gravity unless it's near an atom.
peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jan, 2015 07:38 am
@rosborne979,
Ok I'll read on the compression of the structure of space.
That should help a lot thank you.
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peter jeffrey cobb
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jan, 2015 07:59 am
@peter jeffrey cobb,
A black hole could have more gravity because it would capture that material while releasing the rest of the mass.
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jan, 2015 03:49 pm
@peter jeffrey cobb,
Or black holes do not exist http://www.iflscience.com/physics/physicist-claims-have-proven-mathematically-black-holes-do-not-exist
DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Tue 13 Jan, 2015 03:51 pm
@rosborne979,
Black holes may not be real, they are theory at best at the moment. http://www.iflscience.com/physics/physicist-claims-have-proven-mathematically-black-holes-do-not-exist
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