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# Water Softeners - What are the differences in brands?

Ovalle32

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Sun 21 Feb, 2010 07:20 pm
The best water softeners in town are made by Maui water systems there eficient not costly good waranty they have been in buisness for twenty something years call them they will take of you
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1013

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Wed 3 Mar, 2010 06:38 pm
@seattlecosmo,
DON'T spend the big bucks the \$300-5oo ones are just as good if not better
rainsoft culligan are a waste of money don't let then BS you
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Andy CWS

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Thu 8 Apr, 2010 05:56 am
@Gary Slusser,
Gary Slusser wrote:

If I have a Clack WS-1 on a 1.0 cuft and want a regen every 4 days, I use 4 people * 60gals/day/person = 240 * 15 gpg = 3600/day * 4 days between regens = 14400 so I'd program it for 15K and 15,000/3333 salt efficiency = 4.5 lbs * 7.5 4 day periods in a month = 33.75 lbs total while your 5600 is using 48 lbs, for a savings of 14.25 lbs/month for my customer.

If I were selling a softener to that family of 4 in my example above, it would be a 1.5 cuft and regenerate 30K with 9 lbs for 2000 gals on the meter (no calculated reserve required because of the variable reserve in the Clack WS-1 CS) and regen on average every 8.333 or actually every 8 days. 30/8 = 3.75 so 3 regens per month at 9 lbs is 27 lbs compared to my 41.25 in the example 1.0 cuft here, and a very substantial savings in salt of 41,25 - 27 = 14.25 lbs. And IMO salt savings should be calculated on an annual basis and divided by 12 for monthly. There are 46 8 day periods in a year * 9 lbs = 414 lbs per year /12 = 34.5 lbs/month.

Thank you. 34.5 pounds per month. Normally, anything less than 4000 grains per pound of salt is not considered efficient, wouldn't you agree? Very interesting. A little more than a pound a day, right? I was wondering how much water it uses for regenerating, too.

Every 8.333 days (but you calcualte 8), 3.75 times per month (you calculate 3 times--isn't .75 x 12 = 9 extra regenerations? 9 x 9 is an additional 81 pounds, or 6.75 pounds per month, right?). Wouldn't rounding down show a conservative estimate?

But thank you for providing that info, anyway.
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danidan

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Thu 1 Jul, 2010 08:43 pm
@Waterguy,
Do you work for Rainsoft?
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Tonganoxie

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Mon 21 May, 2012 04:15 pm
@H2O MAN,
I just had my North Star quit working and the plumbing company could not fix it. It was only 6 yrs. old and the manufacturing company would not budge on any rebate .... will not do business again with North Star.
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Tonganoxie

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Mon 21 May, 2012 04:25 pm
@H2O MAN,
My North Star that I bought from the plumbing company can no longer be fixed by the plumber. I put a lot of money into it and the softener was only 6 yrs. old. We contacted the mfg. and their rep. was absolutely no help and unwilling to give any type of rebate to purchase another one. I will certainly NOT do business with North Star again.
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rick martelli

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Sun 24 Mar, 2013 06:45 am
I have had softened all my life in wells. Ohio, Indiana, California, Kentucky,etc. I've had the Sears \$359.00 models, to the local \$2,000 models. They all do the same thing. Buying a \$2,000 models was a large waste of money. I'm 63 yrs old, so I've been around the block. If you use a salt conditioner, they sell salt with a rust out additive, which works well. A small in line filter before the conditioner is advised, this will trap well particles, so they don't reach the internal parts of the conditioner. Sediment, is a problem for conditioners, so the filter is advised. A a a \$400.00 to \$600.00 unit is fine for most needs. Don't get taken like I did once. ( WISDOM)
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aarenace

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Mon 25 Mar, 2013 05:16 am
@seattlecosmo,
Water softening is the removal of calcium, magnesium, and certain other metal cations in hard water.Same work done by all brands.
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culliganman scott

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Sat 13 Apr, 2013 10:23 pm
@H2O MAN,
I have worked in the water industry for over 10 years. Some of that time was as an installer, service tech and sales person. There are a number of brands out there that will provide great service. The one thing that you really need to look at is WHO will service it when it breaks. Having a good dealer to help you out is worth a lot. Don't fall for sales peoples hype, a good sales man will not pressure you into purchasing anything and will give you a written guarantee it will do its job.

You can get a great system for under 2,000 that will soften your water. If you have problem water then it will take more than one system and the cost will go up.
H2O MAN

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Sun 14 Apr, 2013 11:48 am
@culliganman scott,
culliganman scott wrote:

I have worked in the water industry for over 10 years. Some of that time was as an installer, service tech and sales person. There are a number of brands out there that will provide great service. The one thing that you really need to look at is WHO will service it when it breaks. Having a good dealer to help you out is worth a lot. Don't fall for sales peoples hype, a good sales man will not pressure you into purchasing anything and will give you a written guarantee it will do its job.

You can get a great system for under 2,000 that will soften your water. If you have problem water then it will take more than one system and the cost will go up.

I agree!

My business has evolved into even more of a service business... virgin sales are few and far between.
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Peach0104

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Sat 28 Dec, 2013 03:59 pm
@Gary Slusser,
The system itself may only be worth \$2000 but that's not all your paying for when you buy a system. Certainly I could buy a product that costs \$2000 or less, then have to buy parts and work on it myself when needed, replace resin every few years etc. Or spend a little more and get something reliable with a strong warranty and never have to spend my time or money working on it or replacing resin. There is price then there is value. If everyone broke it down to lowest price we'd all be driving Yugo's. When was the last time you saw that car on the road?
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Peach0104

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Sat 28 Dec, 2013 04:09 pm
@seattlecosmo,
I'm not sure why you would BUY a new system at all. Your Rainsoft system probably has a lifetime warranty.
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Peach0104

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Sat 28 Dec, 2013 04:35 pm
@lillyblue,
I bought a Rainsoft system and I didn't experience anything remotely close to what you described. When we bought our home the local Rainsoft dealer I'm pretty sure got my number off the new homeowner list. They called asked if I'd be interested in getting a free water test. They would give me a \$20 gift card just for letting them come out. I agreed, they came out tested my water addressed the concerns with water, presented a price, discussed the warranty and spoke about the reputation of the dealer that would be providing service when needed. The sales person didn't apply any pressure. He said this was one of those things that either makes sense or it doesn't. It did, so I purchased the system, it's worked better than advertised and has paid for itself. I wasn't taken advantage of. I can certainly say no when need to. I've never regretted spending the money. I'd do it again. When the sales person left I took my \$20 gift card and spent it. No activating the card, no questions about my income, no coupons, no hassle. One of the best decisions I've ever made.
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Alexlv1

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Fri 3 Jan, 2014 03:34 am
I purchased a Rainsoft Apollo Q2 (with lifetime warranty on brass valve and ion-x 100 medium and tanks) when I purchased my new home in 1992. It was a great investment. I am only just now having to deal with the computer component going out (after 21 1/2 years). The unit was installed outside under the eaves of my roofline. I have had very few problems over the years. The local company has made most all the repairs (including parts) for the cost of one visit. I am now having to decide if I want to simply upgrade my system (keep tanks and just get new valve and computer--both now with lifetime warranties) or go with a complete new system. The new systems uses ion-x 2000 medium, where my previous unit used ion-x 100 .
Given that parts on the old system are getting few and far between.... and brass valves are being phased out, I am leaning to just replacing the whole system that will be warrantied again for life....this time the computer/electrical as well. Can anyone tell me the difference between Ion-x 100 medium and Ion-X 2000 medium....I wasn't able to find that online.
Thanks
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