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Are there any peaceful muslim nations?

 
 
layman
 
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Sun 22 Mar, 2015 02:38 pm
@coldjoint,
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

I went to this link. At your site, there was a link to this very lengthy and scholary report by Pew:

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The percentage of Muslims who say they want sharia to be “the official law of the land” varies widely around the world...But solid majorities in most of the countries surveyed across the MiddleEast and North Africa, sub-Saharan Africa, South Asia and Southeast Asia favor the establishment of sharia, including 71% of Muslims in Nigeria, 72% in Indonesia, 74% in Egypt
and 89% in the Palestinian territories.


And, as noted by your site, Pew also found that the percentage in Afghanistan was 99%.
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layman
 
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Sun 22 Mar, 2015 03:03 pm
@coldjoint,
To elaborate on the story itself, it says here that:

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The mob of men beat 27-year-old Farkhunda before throwing her body off a roof, running over it with a car, setting it on fire and throwing it into a river near a well-known mosque.


Beating, car, rooftop, fire, river? Boy, they really weren't taking any chances, eh? And, given all of that, it couldn't have simply been a "heat of the moment" thing, either.

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The attack was apparently sparked by allegations that Farkhunda, who like many Afghans has just one name, had set fire to a Qur’an. But Afghanistan’s most senior detective said no evidence had been found to support those claims.


http://globalnews.ca/news/1896765/afghan-woman-beaten-to-death-by-mob-falsely-accused-of-burning-quran/

Well, who cares if she even really did it. It's not the facts which matter, it's the what muslims "think" that count in situations like these.
layman
 
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Sun 22 Mar, 2015 04:09 pm
@layman,
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Beating, car, rooftop, fire, river? Boy, they really weren't taking any chances, eh? And, given all of that, it couldn't have simply been a "heat of the moment" thing, either.


Some might think this is exaggerated because surely SOMEONE would have stopped such a prolonged display and/or surely the murderers, for fear of being detected, would have left the scene of the crime sooner. I know I wondered about that, at first. But the story explained that, too:

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" [There were] allegations that police stood by and did nothing to stop the killing...The Interior Ministry said 13 policemen had been suspended pending investigation.


Boy, I sure wish the cops over here were that "understanding" when it comes to giving me a parking ticket, ya know?
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coldjoint
 
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Sun 22 Mar, 2015 04:13 pm
@layman,
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When I assert this, I do not mean that Islamic belief makes all Muslims violent. This is manifestly not the case: There are many millions of peaceful Muslims in the world. What I do say is that the call to violence and the justification for it are explicitly stated in the sacred texts of Islam. Moreover, this theologically sanctioned violence is there to be activated by any number of offenses, including but not limited to apostasy, adultery, blasphemy and even something as vague as threats to family honor or to the honor of Islam itself.


This is what Western leaders and apologists refuse to believe. The obvious truth about Islam is called hate speech.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/a-reformation-for-islam-1426859626
layman
 
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Sun 22 Mar, 2015 04:39 pm
@coldjoint,
That's an interesting and thoughtful (as you would expect from the Wall Street Journal) article, Cold. It was written by a woman who was raised as a muslim in Somalia. She says:

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Let me make two things clear. I do not seek to inspire another war on terror or extremism—violence in the name of Islam cannot be ended by military means alone. Nor am I any sort of “Islamophobe.” At various times, I myself have been all three kinds of Muslim: a fundamentalist, a cocooned believer and a dissident.


She makes a number of interesting observations and arguments, such as:

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"...we in the West need to challenge and debate the very substance of Islamic thought and practice. We need to hold Islam accountable for the acts of its most violent adherents and to demand that it reform or disavow the key beliefs that are used to justify those acts.

As it turns out, the West has some experience with this sort of reformist project. It is precisely what took place in Judaism and Christianity over the centuries, as both traditions gradually consigned the violent passages of their own sacred texts to the past...

...today, because their faiths went through a long, meaningful process of Reformation and Enlightenment, the vast majority of Jews and Christians have come to dismiss religious scripture that urges intolerance or violence. There are literalist fringes in both religions, but they are true fringes. Regrettably, in Islam, it is the other way around: It is those seeking religious reform who are the fringe element.
layman
 
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Sun 22 Mar, 2015 05:02 pm
@coldjoint,
Izzy seems to be missing his cue here, eh? By this time I would have expected him to step in and call attention to some horrific deed done by jews. I have heard, for example, and I have no reason to disbelieve it, that some jewish citizens once shot a palestinian man who was rapidly approaching a school bus chock-full of children in downtown Jerusalem without being absolutely positive that he had a suicide bomb strapped to his ass.
coldjoint
 
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Sun 22 Mar, 2015 07:12 pm
@layman,
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being absolutely positive that he had a suicide bomb strapped to his ass.


Palestinians have bought this on themselves. The Jews protect their children, the Palestinians make movies when theirs die.
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Ionus
 
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Sun 22 Mar, 2015 08:28 pm
@izzythepush,
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We don't have a religious war yet
What is your idea of a religious war because the enemy sure as hell think it is one .
coldjoint
 
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Sun 22 Mar, 2015 08:32 pm
@Ionus,
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What is your idea


If Izzy had one, it died from loneliness.
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layman
 
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Sun 22 Mar, 2015 08:33 pm
@Ionus,
Yeah, France wasn't "really in a war" when Hitler invaded them, either. They just caved in, right quick.

Now, Churchill, he was in a war:

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"You ask, what is our aim? I can answer in one word: Victory - victory at all costs, victory in spite of terror, victory, however long and hard the road may be..."
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Ionus
 
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Sun 22 Mar, 2015 08:37 pm
@coldjoint,
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The mob of men beat 27-year-old Farkhunda before throwing her body off a roof, running over it with a car, setting it on fire and throwing it into a river near a well-known mosque.
If Al'Lah wills it....

Does anyone else see a great deal of sexual frustration in Islam ? Young men suiciding, others beating up a mentally handicapped woman...
Ionus
 
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Sun 22 Mar, 2015 08:40 pm
@coldjoint,
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This is what Western leaders ... refuse to believe.
They believe it all right . But they want to employ the help of other Muslims and there is always oil to consider so they downplay hate in our countries .
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layman
 
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Sun 22 Mar, 2015 08:41 pm
@Ionus,
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Does anyone else see a great deal of sexual frustration in Islam ?


Yeah, maybe. Does "sexual frustration" mean "stupidity?"
Ionus
 
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Sun 22 Mar, 2015 08:44 pm
@layman,
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It is precisely what took place in Judaism
This is historically inaccurate . Judea and Samaria were full of violent fundamentalists that culminated in the Jewish Revolt . When they had all been put to the sword, the only ones left were the moderates throughout the Roman Empire . Most European Jewry from the Roman Empire were in the Holocaust but Israel was started up again and the radicalism has resumed .
Ionus
 
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Sun 22 Mar, 2015 08:49 pm
@layman,
I try to refrain from emotional postings but I hate Islamists with a passion . Many Jews are aware of Palestinian attacks on their children . One such had terrorists escaping with children hostages and realising they could not escape the Israeli Army with the children, one of them picked them up and smashed their heads on a rock by swinging them over his shoulder . What did each child think as they waited their turn ?

(PS I think izzy is a woman)
layman
 
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Sun 22 Mar, 2015 08:49 pm
@Ionus,
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...Israel was started up again and the radicalism has resumed .


Depends on what you mean by "radicalism," I guess. I don't see Israelites advocating, or committing, ISIS style atrocities. They are quite willing to defend themselves, but that's not "radicalism" to me, nor does it have anything in particular to do with "religious scripture."
Ionus
 
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Sun 22 Mar, 2015 08:51 pm
@layman,
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Does "sexual frustration" mean "stupidity?"
Sexual frustration always means violence in males .
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Ionus
 
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Sun 22 Mar, 2015 08:56 pm
@layman,
Israel gave radicals a place to coalesce whereas before they had been scattered . The government tries to behave quite moderately but much goes on that we would never stand for in the west . An example from personal experience: a Israeli patrol had a rock thrown at it from a roof top so they hauled everyone in the street out in the middle of the night to stand there while they investigated . Some were aged and infirm . Complaining got you arrested . Now change the Palestinians to black people and the Israeli Army to White Police .
layman
 
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Sun 22 Mar, 2015 09:00 pm
@Ionus,
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Now change the Palestinians to black people and the Israeli Army to White Police .


Well, not saying it's right, Ionus, but it's not really the same. "Palestine" is occupied (enemy) territory, and, although there are many Palestinian citizens in Israel proper, those in the West Bank are not citizens.
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coldjoint
 
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Sun 22 Mar, 2015 09:02 pm
http://www.barenakedislam.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/c60bf53ef019affa177f8970d700wi-vi1.png

Can they do that peacefully?
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