Did you know Gorbachev is alive?

Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2014 12:44 pm
Gorbachev is 83.
Moscow (AFP) - Former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev said on Thursday he would seek to defend Vladimir Putin's policies when he travels to Germany for ceremonies commemorating the fall of the Berlin Wall this week.
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Gorbachev, who is praised for his decision not to use force to quell uprisings in Eastern Europe, allowing the Berlin Wall to fall, said that Washington did Moscow wrong and Putin was the best man for the job of protecting the country's interests.
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2014 01:10 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Did you think he died, cicerone?

Here is a current picture - he's 83 years old!
Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2014 01:25 pm
I shrunk down your image. Smile
Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2014 01:38 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I realized he was alive about a month ago when there was news of him being in the hospital and then being released. Prior to that, I hadn't thought about him much and could only tell you that his wife had left earth already.
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2014 02:21 pm
I have known he was alive continuously since about 1985. What is it with some people?
cicerone imposter
Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2014 04:06 pm
Like Sturgis, I only became aware he was alive from a news article. What's your problem?

I just thought it curious, because many things have happened since he 'disappeared' from public notice.
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2014 10:24 pm
Thank you, jespah!
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2014 01:10 am
He will be in Berlin this week end and take part in the celebration of the Berlin Wall falling 25 years ago.
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Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2014 02:02 am
Ya, I have been tracking him actually. It is an interesting story, on the one hand the elite on duty at the time say that he was a idiot that got taken advantage of by the West, And he says that he trusted too much and believed that the West was good for the promises that it made.

A good look at this is here

One of those promises is that NATO would not intrude Russia's space, a promise that the Western elite at the time deny they made but it sounds like something they would say to an idiot to get him to do their bidding. The recent advance by Russia into Ukraine has a long history.

I think that history will record that Gorbachev was not a particularly bright man who got psychologically caught up in the collapse of the USSR, he was demoralized, and he got taken advantage of. This is going to be a problem till the Russians get some respect, and I think the way they do it is by throwing in with China and perhaps India as the controllers of global affairs, taking over for the USA and our allies in Europe.

When Putin stares down Merkel and Obama he is sure that he and Russia will win in the end. I dont think that he is wrong.

Gorbachev? At this point all he hopes for is that he gets some credit for something by someone. It could happen.
Reply Sat 8 Nov, 2014 04:14 am
Now so many years later many Russians in Russia do not like him. They think he destroyed Russia,
The same goes for Russians who live in the West.
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