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2004 Elections: Democratic Party Contenders

 
 
sweetcomplication
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2003 03:19 pm
Kucinich

Who can argue with a dead ringer for Dennis the Menace who once governed a city deemed 'The Mistake By the Lake'?
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kuvasz
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2003 04:02 pm
PDiddie wrote:
Who voted in the MoveOn.com primary? Who did you vote for?

(I voted for Wesley Clark.)


Al Gore. He won last time.
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sweetcomplication
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2003 04:23 pm
Laughing how true, but I still prefer you over Gore . . .
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2003 04:29 pm
Alfred E Newman (what, me worry)
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mamajuana
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2003 09:30 pm
Wesley Clark? You wrote him in, didn't you? I voted for none of the above. Well, one on the right hand side.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2003 10:30 pm
Yeah, mama, on the left at 'other'; on the right, I marked 'any'.
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sweetcomplication
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2003 10:58 pm
slight digression, forgive me please:

Mama: I miss your blinking eye

I now return control of this thread to you all
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 24 Jun, 2003 11:04 pm
I like Betty . . . good choice Ma . . .
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Mapleleaf
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jun, 2003 06:27 pm
One-Click Politics

Quote:
By Howard Kurtz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, June 26, 2003; 8:41 AM

So what are we to make of the first Internet primary in recorded history?...


With comments from:

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The Philadelphia Inquirer's Dick Polman scrutinizes the process:

"Why wait for Iowa and New Hampshire, when you can have a national Democratic presidential contest right now?...

The Washington Post looks at the other candidates' complaints:

"Some opponents have charged that Moveon.org has tipped the scales further in Dean's favor. They note that the primary began just hours after Dean commanded headlines and television coverage with his official announcement that he is indeed running for president. They also have complained that Dean recently hired a Moveon.org employee -- there are only a handful -- as a consultant...

Salon's Joe Conason sounds a word of caution:

It isn't a 'primary.' With a few hundred thousand participants, it cannot be representative of tens of millions of Democrats -- or even millions of progressive Democrats -- as a group. Because only three candidates were permitted to e-mail their statements to the MoveOn membership, the poll doesn't offer an opportunity to evaluate support for the entire field. And the involvement in the Dean campaign of a MoveOn principal has raised questions about fairness and impartiality...

The New Republic, which had pushed McCain in '04, tries to move on:

"There probably aren't many people still clinging to the hope that John McCain will make another run for the White House in 2004. And if there are, they can forget about it. We recently caught up with McCain advisor John Weaver, who, in contrast to tantalizing hints coming from McCain's camp a year or two ago, left little doubt about his boss's plans. 'He's not running,' Weaver flatly stated. 'I don't think there's any way. He's just not going to.' Instead, Weaver says McCain will run for what should be an easy reelection next year. . . .

American Prospect's Michael Tomasky says Dean was sandbagged:

"It's not as if we needed one more example to prove that the mainstream media have developed a reflex of accepting the premises of the right in order to make liberals look discredited. But try this one on for size...

In Slate, Christopher Hitchens unloads on Kerry:

"So, the junior senator from Massachusetts has finally come up with a winning line. 'Vote for me,' says John Kerry. 'I'm easily fooled.' This appears to be the implication of his claim to have been 'misled' by the Bush administration in the matter of WMD. And, considering the way in which Democratic Party activists generally portray the president as a fool and an ignoramus, one might as well go the whole distance and suggest a catchy line for the campaign: 'Kerry. Duped by a Dope.' . . .
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mamajuana
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jun, 2003 09:45 pm
Sweet - I change them. Searching for graphics has become my new hobby. Wait....
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jun, 2003 09:53 pm
Me too, mama. Think I'm gonna change my avatar every day for awhile.

A fine sampling of opinion, Maple. Thank you.

Results from MoveOn primary tomorrow. Over 200,000 votes cast at last report. The freeps did their best to push-poll Sharpton, but that will be to no account.
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sweetcomplication
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jun, 2003 09:55 pm
PDiddie, you're going to have to go a long way to top your current one - it's grrrrreat :wink: !
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mamajuana
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jun, 2003 09:58 pm
Lot of criticism now about MoveOn. I sort of wish they hadn't chosen to endorse a candidate, nor conduct this poll in order to do so. It just doesn't feel right.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jun, 2003 10:01 pm
Does that one of yours bear any passing resemblance to the real thing, sweetie?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jun, 2003 10:02 pm
In a piece on NPR yesterday, it was stated that MoveOn's response to criticisms of their process and method was basically "tough titty" . . . it makes me uncomfortable as well, Ma . . .
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sweetcomplication
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jun, 2003 10:04 pm
PDiddie: Yes, 10 years and 10 pounds ago Laughing !
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jun, 2003 10:06 pm
:wink:
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jun, 2003 03:48 am
I wrote MoveOn a long email explaining that they were not running a primary, they were running a poll, that is was WAY too early to endorse anybody, and that by doing so they might be marginalizing any influence they might have later.

Joe
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jun, 2003 06:37 am
I guess we've all been in touch with MoveOn -- I returned "Martin Sheen's" email with the plea to stick to the issues. Nor was I thrilled (at the big Dean bash on Monday night) with the Dean focus on getting MoveOn poll votes, but wrote myself off as naive.

MoveOn is becoming a very powerful force -- a group of kids (really) set it up and they've done a splendid job. We need to remember that they are our chance at getting the job done, at using the new tools as fully as possible. Must not relax and think they'll do it all for us.

Don't know how many here have been participating in MoveOn's policy forums, but they've certainly made this a populist, accessible movement. Those who haven't taken part in determining policy but stand back and criticize should bite their tongues...!
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jun, 2003 06:40 am
I cannot at all accept that final judgment of yours, Boss--policy will definitely not be determined by MoveOn or any such organization. The most which such an organization can accomplish is to elicit lip service; no candidate, from any party, makes policy decisions on any other basis than the agendae of those from whom they receive their closest and most constant support.
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