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2004 Elections: Democratic Party Contenders

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snood
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jun, 2003 09:53 am
au1929 wrote:
snood
No, I was impressed by much of what he said. Inorder to get a better prespective of the individual I went to the google. What I found was not very flattering.


But what does that have to do with anything?
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au1929
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jun, 2003 10:21 am
Snood

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But what does that have to do with anything?


The subject matter of this thread is democratic party contenders. The general is beginning to act like one. What is your problem?
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snood
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jun, 2003 10:36 am
au1929 wrote:
Snood

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But what does that have to do with anything?


The subject matter of this thread is democratic party contenders. The general is beginning to act like one. What is your problem?


My "problem" was that you address the General's assertions about the seaminess of the administrations doings right after 9/11 only as a consequence of being challenged on attacking his character. And one thing just doesn't have anything to do with the other, from where I stand.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jun, 2003 10:46 am
snood

Au's post seems quite appropriate to me. Often, when looking at a candidate's suitability, we'll start by addressing a particular issue, then go on to think about his/her stand on other issues, or speak of how the person strikes us, etc.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jun, 2003 10:47 am
I'm a Dean supporter who is also impressed by Kucinich and have started splitting my grocery-money-level support between them. I have some reservations about Kucinich, but my purpose is to send a message to the Party about the commitment and strength of the populist/progressive/independent group which has been coming alive thanks to Wellstone, Dean and MoveOn. Yesterday I got a plea for support from the DNC and was going to write them a scathing response but have decided instead to write my response to the newspaper. If they print it, it'll have maybe a little more effect...
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snood
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jun, 2003 10:53 am
blatham wrote:
snood

Au's post seems quite appropriate to me. Often, when looking at a candidate's suitability, we'll start by addressing a particular issue, then go on to think about his/her stand on other issues, or speak of how the person strikes us, etc.


And you're certainly entitled to your opinion, and I actually agree that the General's subordinates' opinions about him would have seemed like totally fair game, if it had been brought up after the relevant substance of what he said. And that's just my opinion.
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Mapleleaf
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jun, 2003 02:10 am
Outsider Dean fires up left

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After months on stump, the outspoken Democrat announces presidential bid.
By Liz Marlantes | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

WASHINGTON - He's been openly campaigning longer than any other Democrat, and he has practically taken up residence in Iowa and New Hampshire. So when former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean announces Monday that he is running for president he is, on one level, stating the obvious.

But Dr. Dean's announcement - delivered one week before the end of the second fundraising period, and one day before a key online primary by a left-wing group - also conveys a pointed message: Don't underestimate his campaign.

Currently in second place in New Hampshire, and tied for second in Iowa, Dean has been drawing bigger crowds than most competitors. At cattle calls and conventions, his fiery rhetoric routinely sparks standing ovations among liberal activists, and he recently won an unofficial poll at the Wisconsin Democratic convention.

Like Sen. John McCain in 2000, Dean is using the Internet to amass a network of supporters - more than 12,000 will gather across the country for Monday's announcement. He's also relying on conventional, if equally aggressive, tactics: Last week, he became the first candidate to go on air, running a TV ad in Iowa.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jun, 2003 04:54 am
Since when did Clark become a topic as a Democratic Party Contender--the titular theme of this thread? As is pointed out above, one Colonel's ill opinion of the man has no bearing whatsoever on whether or not the present Administration started constructing "the Big Lie" immediately after the 9/11 attacks. The topic has relevance to how any contender will deal with the administration in a campaign. I think it disingenuous of Au to begin General Clark's presidential campaign in order to discuss his character just because it makes him uncomfortable to have Rummy and his long-nosed Pinocchio crowd questioned.
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jun, 2003 05:17 am
Setanta - you de man.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jun, 2003 05:20 am
(Psssst . . . i be de dog . . . heeheeheeheeheeheeheehee . . . )
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au1929
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jun, 2003 07:39 am
Setanta
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I think it disingenuous of Au to begin General Clark's presidential campaign in order to discuss his character just because it makes him uncomfortable to have Rummy and his long-nosed Pinocchio crowd questioned.


I do not know whether you saw the interview but if you had you would have seen Clarke's answer and body language of language which strongly indicated IMO that he was ready to jump in with both feet when asked if he would become a candidate. That is what prompted me to get some information on Clarke. As to what he had to say about 9/.11 and the aftermath I have no qualms. In fact I like what he had to say and that is what prompted me to look into his record. Regarding Rummy I think he is a danger and should be muzzled and have said that on a2k many times.
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jun, 2003 08:29 am
Anybody see Russert beat up on Dean yesterday on Meet the Press?

I used to like Russert, but he appears more and more to me to be a defender and hack for the right.
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Scrat
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jun, 2003 08:36 am
snood wrote:
Anybody see Russert beat up on Dean yesterday on Meet the Press?

I used to like Russert, but he appears more and more to me to be a defender and hack for the right.

Snood - I didn't see it, so I'm asking you for an honest impression here. Do you really think Russert "beat up on" him because he is a "defender and hack for the right", or is it possible that Russert saw and targeted his questions and comments to what he believed to be flaws in Dean's platform or past?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jun, 2003 08:37 am
and because of that you don't like him anymore?
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au1929
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jun, 2003 08:41 am
Snood
Russet does the same thing to people every week. Most can handle it Dean could not. He came off looking very inept.
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jun, 2003 11:25 am
I've watched the show for ages. He does it more to the Dems lately - my opinion. and if he has become a hack for the right, no I won't like him anymore. (and I'm sure he'll survive it)
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sweetcomplication
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jun, 2003 11:36 am
Au: Dean looked inept? Looks aren't important, but this is:

http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer
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Scrat
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jun, 2003 11:47 am
snood wrote:
I've watched the show for ages. He does it more to the Dems lately - my opinion.

Which may simply be an indication of the fundamental failings of so many Democrat ideas and policies. (If Russert is prone to attack ideas he thinks are unsound, ill-advised, poorly-considered or just plain wrong AND is finding more of these being championed by the left, then he is more likely to be seen attacking the left.)
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mamajuana
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jun, 2003 11:56 am
Scrat - maybe you should watch it before making pronouncements?
Second guessing is always entertaining, but rarely accurate.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jun, 2003 09:22 pm
There was a huge turnout at the "announcement party" in Austin for Dean -- far bigger than I think was expected. All ages, types. I'd post a photo if I could figure out how to do it! Spent most of the time with an elderly man, a retired management type, life-long Dem, very savvy about Texas politics, well into his eighties... at least. Served as an Air Force cryptographer in North Africa in WWII, "but I've never been as scared in my life as right now." This guy was hardly the alarmist type. He would have scandalized Scrat and Co with his assessment of Bush as seriously fascist -- he chose that word.
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