max's daddy,
nobody's perfect........but Bill Clinton was an excellent president
and he's a damn interesting person as well.
Apparently dys fell asleep thinking...........................................
May I offer for consideration T. Roosevelt?
Granted, He is no Clinton, but he did some things that even the likes of youse guys would agree with...................................
Nor did I contend that everyone was perfect.
Before the hue and cry of, "they all do it!" reaches a crescendo, I am even willing to stipulate to that fact, I would counter with "yes, but they don't all get caught"
Is it an attention span deficit that keeps liberals from the ability to remember beyond a decade ago?
Ah yes, let us waste no opportunity to cast slurs upon an entire class of people--in this case, liberals. Is it a good breeding deficit, Maxsdadeo, which leads you offer that blanket condemnation ?
Quote:Ah yes, let us waste no opportunity to cast slurs upon an entire class of people--in this case, liberals. Is it a good breeding deficit, Maxsdadeo, which leads you offer that blanket condemnation ?
No, is that your excuse?
Of course it is easier to shoot the messenger, rather than address the message, ah, but of course!!
A "scroller", that explains it................
Clinton has been tasted err tested and judged A OK.
Any liberal criticisms for Clinton...or was he without fault?
Aside from H. Truman I can think of no better president in recent times than Clinton. The republicans did the nation a great disservice by spending more capital trying to smear him than doing the nations business. I there is one flaw in the governance of this nation it is the extreme partisanship of congress.
Clinton had plenty of faults, but the ones which get harped on are personal. Don't want to stretch this too far, but I think there's a really interesting contrast between the child from an alcoholic family (driven to taking personal risk, testing the limits of personal relationships) and a "dry alcoholic" who pushes everyone else to the limit. With reference to Bush, there have been a few serious studies of the dry alcoholic, and I mention this because they seem to have increased exponientially lately.
Clinton knew who he was, understood others, liked others, had a serious intellect and joy in life -- he was a real leader. Bush is not so much a leader as he is an infighter, not a nice person, not someone who enjoys others for themselves. I don't think he even notices people unless they're useful to him or get in his way.
He made no mistakes, no errors in judgement, was pure and without fault?
C'mon. Looking for a little reality. The White Hat/Black Hat mentality is beyond ridiculous. How can rational debate occur in this Go To Your Corners polarization?
None of us should be afraid of criticising our preferred party or leaders.
(Crossed Tartarin's post, above.)
Clinton did have some exceptional qualities, IMO. He was also a user of epic proportion, IMO, and made many choices due to how they played in polling.
Sofia, read the first words of my post.
Quote:Clinton had plenty of faults, but the ones which get harped on are personal
Honest, Tartarin, I'm not baiting you, but I would be interested in how you square breaking the oath of office and define it as personal.
maxsdadeo wrote:Quote:Clinton had plenty of faults, but the ones which get harped on are personal
Honest, Tartarin, I'm not baiting you, but I would be interested in how you square breaking the oath of office and define it as personal.
because what you call "breaking the oath of office" others see as lying to keep from getting his oval office blowjob found out. It's all perspective.
Max -- If you think about it, you'll get it, I'm sure.
attention deficit disorder=Reagan when he explained the Iran-Contra affair "I don't remember"
you are a real hoot dadeo
Of course, Bush2 has a different sort of deficit disorder, Dys.
Quote:because what you call "breaking the oath of office" others see as lying to keep from getting his oval office blowjob found out. It's all perspective
Lying in a court of law is lying in a court of law, it is just that simple.
Excuse me if I fail to take the ride down the slippery slope with the rest of the "hero worshipers".
Thanks for noticing, dys.
You make me laugh alot as well.
I don't hero worship Clinton, I think I simply have a good BS antenna - and that whole multi-million dollar, catch-all "investigation" by starr was BS, IMHO. But to each his own - some see Reagan as a heroic figure; I happen to see him as a stupid, phoney puppet who only knew how to make sound bytes.
snood: I agree with you regarding Reagan.
I was never a fan, and didn't vote for him, either time.
I just couldn't get the picture of him in those insipid Bonzo the Chimp movies out of my head.
Agree with you once again, Snood (so what else is new!)...
