2004 Elections: Democratic Party Contenders

The Center for Public Integrity has just published a downer about Kerry: an "analysis [which] is part of the Center's research for The Buying of the President 2004 (to be published by HarperCollins), which tracks the financial backers and interests of the major candidates for the White House... "
http://www.publicintegrity.org/dtaweb/report.asp?ReportID=521&L1=10&L2=10&L3=0&L4=0&L5=0

The relationship between candidates/elected officials and corporations/media will be a prime consideration for me when voting in the next election.

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Tartarin
Where do you think the millions spent on election campaigns comes from. Certainly not the small donations the general public gives. Why do you think the large corporations and unions give this money to political candidates? You can answer that I am sure. I have always said we have the finest politicians that money can buy.
I am sure Kerry is not unique

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Nobody's clean.
You have to pick the less offensive lobby.

At present, lawyers are my least favorite. The Unions are a close second. Teacher's unions have moved over to my bad side, recently.

I guess the AARP is the only one I can stomach, and they are becoming impossible.

Do the Environmentalists still have their lobby? Aren't they on the FBI's most wanted list?

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You know-- I'm an admirer of Lieberman, but I just had a thought.
One of the strongest arguments against Bush and his friendly cabal Very Happy

is the matter of global anti-Americanism-- A good Dem candidate would push hard on the Diplomacy and Ugly American phenomena.

With all the work we're forced to do now in the ME-- How would a Jewish President work in this climate?

If Bush is so closely associated with accusations of Zionism; how would Lieberman fare? What would Saudi, Jordan, Palestine say about Lieberman's acension?

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Very good point, Sofia.

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Here's an article from the LATimes about Graham going after Bush on 9/11 and secrecy. http://www.latimes.com/la-na-graham12may12,0,100697.story

I'm beginning to see a multi-pronged attack on Bush coming from the candidates which is planned, intended. I hope so. Let's see how the various candidates pick up weapons designed for Bush's vulnerabilities...

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I never thought I would hear myself say this, but,

Susan Estrich is exactly correct!
http://www.creators.com/opinion_show.cfm?columnsName=ses

My favorite line:

Quote:

Could someone please tell these people to shut up?

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maxsdadeo wrote:

I never thought I would hear myself say this, but,

Susan Estrich is exactly correct!
http://www.creators.com/opinion_show.cfm?columnsName=ses

My favorite line:

Quote:
Could someone please tell these people to shut up?

I agree with her totally also. For different reasons, I'd venture. And it doesn't suprise me, as she is often "right on" in my judgement.

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swashbucklin' snood said:

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For different reasons, I'd venture

That would be a misventure, snood.

I am an American.
And as an American it is in my best interest to see the best person possible in contention for the Presidency, regardless of party.
Why would I not want that?

Why wouldn't everyone want that?

No, snood.

We aren't ALL partisan hacks....

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Anyone interested in Dean might want to take a look at this article from the Boston Phoenix:

http://www.bostonphoenix.com/boston/news_features/talking_politics/documents/02598565.htm

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Sofia wrote:

You know-- I'm an admirer of Lieberman, but I just had a thought.
One of the strongest arguments against Bush and his friendly cabal is the matter of global anti-Americanism-- A good Dem candidate would push hard on the Diplomacy and Ugly American phenomena.

With all the work we're forced to do now in the ME-- How would a Jewish President work in this climate?

If Bush is so closely associated with accusations of Zionism; how would Lieberman fare? What would Saudi, Jordan, Palestine say about Lieberman's acension?

Yes, Sofia, you are quite right to think of Lieberman's religion. He would certainly assure a Bush re-election, as will anyone else considered by the Demo's @ this point. And I am glad you are so concerned with the feelings of those states which have sponsored and/or have carried out deadly attacks on Americans, at home or abroad, because we certainly must always vote our fears and not our convictions. Listen, they will terrorize no matter who "ascends", but why give them such an easy way to describe why they would be terrorizing in 2005 and beyond? I apologize in advance if this sounds harsh, but it's very hurtful to me.

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2004 Elections: Democratic Party Contenders

Tartarin wrote:

Very good point, Sofia.

Baby Tartarin, please see my response to Sofia; that goes right to you as well, but, since you didn't do anything but fall into lockstep with her, let me give you a big "Sieg Heil"!

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You should know a bit more about who you're talking to, before you make such assumptions.

I am discussing campaign strategies-- and how others' fears and concerns may lead them to vote. If conversation and ideas are "hurtful" to you, you're in the wrong place.

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We try to keep the discourse out of the kindergarten sandbox.

You are new, and really need to take a step back and think before you write. Especially when what you write is against board policy, and will make your time here quite short.

Apologize to Tartarin and I for equating us with Nazis, or I will pursue your ejection. You will find, if you remain here for any appreciable period, that people will disagree with you. This doesn't make them Nazis.

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2004 Elections: Democratic Party Contenders

Sofia wrote:

You should know a bit more about who you're talking to, before you make such assumptions.

I am discussing campaign strategies-- and how others' fears and concerns may lead them to vote. If conversation and ideas are "hurtful" to you, you're in the wrong place.

Sofia, you should know about who you're talking to before making assumptions as well. There are ways and there are ways of discussing campaign strategies; of course, a Jewish president won't cut it now, if ever, but you "just had a thought"???? Oh, please. If you can't temper your discussions with any compassion, perhaps you're in the wrong place and, by that, I mean the wrong country.

Oh, while answering your last message, your threat came in. I did NOT call you a Nazi although I did give Tartarin a Nazi salute in response to her lock-step agreement with you. If you want to pursue my ejection, go ahead.

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I have taken the issue to mgmt.
You should have read the rules of engagement before bringing your insults.

This isn't a flame board.

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sweetcomplication
The climate in this country tells me that A. Jew could not be elected president of the US at least not yet. If there were any chance for a democrat to be elected in 04 it would be shattered should Leiberman run at the head of the ticket. I would like to believe that anti-Semitism does not exist and religion is not a factor however, being a realist I know better. All I can say is someday maybe but certainly not yet. Regarding the ME it certainly would not enhance our position in dealing with the Moslem nations and indeed may make it more difficult. If that was at all possible?

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PDiddie wrote:

And: "I know I can beat George Bush. Why? Al Gore and I already did it." -- Joe Lieberman

OK, now that's good.

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