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2004 Elections: Democratic Party Contenders

 
 
maxsdadeo
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2003 02:50 pm
I had you pegged for the bliss prayer as opposed to serenity, no matter.

By the way, you know you CAN e-d-i-t your posts here, but if your aspirations lean more towards attaining a guru status, you are probably on a better track to pad those post numbers.

It does save on wear and tear of actually thinking up new and different things to say.
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mamajuana
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2003 02:55 pm
Not to carp, trespassers, but using your distinctions, a big fuss could have been made of the DUIs George Bush was given, reflecting as they did on his acts which violated the concerns of public safety. But they were hushed and and brushed aside, as being mere nothings conducted in his youth. And the outrage over the publicizing of the Bush daughters' transgressions against law cocerning false identities, etc. I suppose it all depends on what side you're looking from.

But you do something else in what you just wrote. You bring in an extraneous - though hideous - matter concerning the dragging-death of James Byrd, and link it through innuendo, although I had written nothing about that. And that, in essence, is what the Willie Horton ad was. It had nothing directly to do with Dukakis, but very clever and uncaring admen and PRs (the same as are connected with the Bush administration today) manipulated it to make it the fault of Dukakis. The same but opposite of this was George Bush senior disclaiming all knowledge of or any part in the Iran-Contra mess. He was "out of the loop" (and that's a quote). And yet, he's the very same who gave presidential pardons to all those directly connected to the awful Iran-Contra affair, which led to what we see today.

We live in different worlds, tres. You seem to find an excuse for anything any republican did, while whipping up righteous indignation for anything you think democrats did. I think perhaps an acceptance of responsibility for one's own actions would go a long way.

Perhaps that comes under the courage to change the things I can.
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2003 03:01 pm
maxsdadeo wrote:
I had you pegged for the bliss prayer as opposed to serenity, no matter.

By the way, you know you CAN e-d-i-t your posts here, but if your aspirations lean more towards attaining a guru status, you are probably on a better track to pad those post numbers.

It does save on wear and tear of actually thinking up new and different things to say.


I'm sure you save as much "wear and tear" in that area as possible, so you'd know, wouldn't ya? Twisted Evil


Hey Max- I think we've established that you and I won't be sharing a sixpack and watching a ballgame anytime soon, but this kind of banter gets real old, real fast. If we want to do this, we could've just stayed at Abuzz. I'll stop if you will.
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maxsdadeo
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2003 03:18 pm
Ok, but I'm stopping first!!
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trespassers will
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2003 03:19 pm
mamajuana wrote:
Not to carp, trespassers, but using your distinctions, a big fuss could have been made of the DUIs George Bush was given, reflecting as they did on his acts which violated the concerns of public safety. But they were hushed and and brushed aside, as being mere nothings conducted in his youth. And the outrage over the publicizing of the Bush daughters' transgressions against law cocerning false identities, etc. I suppose it all depends on what side you're looking from.

No, your "side" only matters if you value your personal opinion above facts and law. I do not.

Given that, I am forced to challenge your version of reality as flawed. I happen to recall a tremendous fuss being made about Bush's DUI.

Google Search: Bush DUI

Take a look at the volume and variety of those results and then tell me that this issue got "hushed". Rolling Eyes

But of course, that is not the point. The point is that I think it is perfectly valid for people to waste their time complaining about non-issues if that is what they want to do. But what I do not think they should be allowed to do is fabricate charges to level at a candidate.

- If you know that a candidate is a philanderer and you think his constituents will see that news unfavorably, you have every right to publicize it.

- If you have no knowledge that he is a philanderer but you make that assertion anyway, simply because you believe it will hurt his candidacy, then I think you have committed a crime against that candidate and the voting public.

- If you know for a fact that he is not a philanderer and you still make that assertion, you are a scumbag (or group of scumbags) and you have committed a crime.

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But you do something else in what you just wrote. You bring in an extraneous - though hideous - matter concerning the dragging-death of James Byrd, and link it through innuendo, although I had written nothing about that. And that, in essence, is what the Willie Horton ad was.

Nonsense. Rolling Eyes

You complained that the choice to share factual information about Dukakis was the most egregious campaign tactic you had ever seen. I pointed out the absurdity of your statement by showing how very sick and depraved campaign tactics can get and have gotten. I didn't throw James Byrd into this debate, the NAACP did. If you dislike their tactics take it up with them. I'm only the messenger, and I suspect that you are only upset because you know there is NO justification for what the NAACP did in this case (and I suspect you also realize how partisan and misguided it makes your complaint regarding the Willie Horton ad appear).
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maxsdadeo
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2003 03:20 pm
Actually, if we didn't discuss the P word, (and even if we did) I think we would have far more similarities and common interests than you might originally think.

I mean hey, even the wife doesn't like to drink beer and watch sports!!!

But I sure as heck do!!

And if you share that, you can't be "all bad", right?
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Sofia
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2003 04:36 pm
mamaj--
My true feelings about Willie Horton.
1) Dukakis released a bunch of people from prison.

2) In GOP minds, this was evidence Dukakis was soft on crime.

3) 'Soft on crime' is one of the biggest issues the GOP has against the
Dems. Guiliani beat Dinkins on this issue.

4) W. Horton raped a woman after he was released. He was a perfect poster boy for Dukakis' failed program of early release.

5) Because he was black, the Dems played the race card and turned the issue from Dukakis' failed prison release program to racism. Something they do routinely. Of course, the GOP does this, too. They both do, and it is a cheap subterfuge, but widely used...

6) As long as the facts about W Horton were true, which they were, I think it is false and ridiculous that his personal crime story is somehow deemed 'off limits' just because he is black.

7) Bush had zero, zilch, nada to do with that poor black man being dragged to his death. So, this issue used against Bush was misplaced and a desperate attempt to smear him with something he had nothing to do with. IMO.
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snood
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2003 04:44 pm
maxsdadeo wrote:
Actually, if we didn't discuss the P word, (and even if we did) I think we would have far more similarities and common interests than you might originally think.

I mean hey, even the wife doesn't like to drink beer and watch sports!!!

But I sure as heck do!!

And if you share that, you can't be "all bad", right?


"P word" = prayer?

and for ANYONE to say it was the Democrats who played the race card in the Willie Horton thing, they have to be looking at things crosseyed, and talking out of their behind. It was the Republicans who formulated a whole ad compaign behind ominous looking willie the monster pictures. Geez.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2003 04:52 pm
It is not the fault of the GOP that Willie Horton takes a bad picture.
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maxsdadeo
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2003 05:10 pm
No, silly, P-O-L-I-T-I-C-S!!!!http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/argue1.gif
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2003 08:01 pm
max, Is your talking heads speaking Japanese? LOL c.i.
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mamajuana
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2003 09:36 pm
Slippery, slippery trespassers. You're the one who brought in the NAASCP-James Byrd- Bush connection. And yes, Google has a lot on the Bush DUIs. Not quite the same thing as a nationally appearing political ad, though. The Willie Horton ad was factually true - but considered one of the nastiest ads of its type to come down the pike. And yes, if philandering can be proven, and is that frowned upon, then certainly political hay can be made of it. But life's funny. Where that gave Livingston less than a day to enjoy his dream, today the one most talked about enjoys a considerable living from being asked to speak as an expert on many subjects, excluding that one, enjoys a certain respect throughout the world, and is quite well thought of in many quarters. Which did not work out as well for the one who preceded him. Sometimes things have opposite effects.

Max, I have never liked beer. But all the rest of my family does. So when we watch the games, I drink iced tea.
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maxsdadeo
 
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Reply Mon 7 Apr, 2003 09:36 pm
c.i., I think I'm turning Japanese, I think I'm turning Japanese, I really think so...

Considering it is snood and I it is probably just colorful language. http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/shock7.gif
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trespassers will
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2003 12:32 am
mamajuana wrote:
Slippery, slippery trespassers. You're the one who brought in the NAASCP-James Byrd- Bush connection. And yes, Google has a lot on the Bush DUIs. Not quite the same thing as a nationally appearing political ad, though. The Willie Horton ad was factually true - but considered one of the nastiest ads of its type to come down the pike.

How slippery of me to use logic, cite facts, and ask you to do the same! Shame on me!

I would be foolish to waste my time further pointing out the illogic and untruths in your response. No offense, but I recognize a closed ming when I slam into it a few dozen times.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2003 11:38 am
Never slam into closed mings while trying to win a debate!
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mamajuana
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2003 11:41 am
A closed ming is the last thing you want.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2003 11:56 am
Ming yer own business,Mama!
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trespassers will
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2003 12:11 pm
Tartarin wrote:
Ming yer own business,Mama!

ROFLMAO!

Okay, I officially have egg on my face, and thank you and Mama for the best laugh I've had all day. Very Happy


"Typoos happen."
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2003 12:18 pm
Mamajuana and Tartarin never make typos. Libraels try harder.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 8 Apr, 2003 12:26 pm
anarchists are dyslexic
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