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2004 Elections: Democratic Party Contenders

 
 
timberlandko
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2003 05:31 pm
Italgato wrote:
However, I will not utilize such approaches again.


Cool. That oughtta work. If you work at it.

'Nuff said.
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Italgato
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2003 05:38 pm
Will professor Hobitbob( who should know how to do it) point out where I returned to "It"( whatever he thinks "it" is.

If you do not think that my post to Lola was polite enough, I am very very sorry.

But, I must thank you for your contribution, Professor Hobitbob. May I respectfully suggest that we get back to discussion of substance?

Thank you, professor!
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2003 05:41 pm
In your last post? everything from the "W" in Will through the final exclamation point. And I am becoming very tired of your smarmy, sarcastic, disrespectcful "professor" comment. You seem incapable of being polite.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2003 05:46 pm
Lightwizard wrote:
The hard close can be as slick and deceptive, and as difficult to learn as the ethical persuasion technique. Seperating the two is where it counts -- the hard close can be made to seem like ethical persuasion. Some know a lot about their subject and yet not be able to close the deal. Facts can be used as a weapon to deceive and cojole someone into buying into the something objectively worthless. An arrangement of facts isn't always the truth. The psychology of sales is an enthraling subject and politicians attempt to use it to their advantage with a consistency that is sometimes remarkable. So do preachers and pundits.

The world's oldest profession isn't prostitution, it's sales. Hookers just happen to be selling something everybody wants but some are afraid to admit it. Or perhaps the price is too high? Politics is effecitvely full of prositutes but not necessarily selling their bodies.

Paul Johnson, as an instance, has just written an art coffee table book that attempts to pimp for some art that is by all standards cloyingly mediocre. It rather taints everything else he has written.

So should we, as the voting public, perhaps accept that our opinions are not really important, and shift from an electoral to a "rubber stamp" voting process? Incidents like the comments made by the electonic voting machine manufacturer, who promised to deliver votes to Bush make me wonder why we are all even bothering? Perhaps democracy's time has been and gone. Sad
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Italgato
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2003 06:00 pm
Professor Hobitbob complains that some of my posts were snide.

I was not aware of that but I will listen to the esteemed professor.

However, when I review some of the other posts I am reminded of the conversation between Ophelia and her brother Laertes when he is going to leave for France in the first act of Hamlet. He warns her of, I believe he said that she should not here chaste treasure open to his unmastered importunity.

Ophelia replies that he should fear not but she hopes that he should not show her the steep and thorny way to heaven while he dallies himself.

I refer to the last largely excellent post by the dear lady- Lola.

Lola refers to the "Infiltration of the Republican Party from the ground up and you can see how successful they have been."

Lola refers to the "moralistic Majority, she calls it, those holding powerful positions in the Republican Party"

Robertson and Fawell, Where are they now? Lola asks.

They are in the White House she says and in the Congress and in the Defense Department.

Then Lola concludes with:
"All of the above is my Opinion and I could be wrong"

A very nice outline given by Lola. I am sure that all have profited from reading it.

I pray that I will be allowed now to state that:

Robertson and Fawell are not in the White House.

There is no reliable person who has dubbed any of the people in the White House or the Defense Department or the Congress-"The Moralistic Majority"

It is obvious that the American people are the ones who vote for the President every four years and, indeed, are the ones who voted for the present Congress in November, 2002.

Now, if Lola's opinion is correct and the concept that the Moralistic majority is in charge in the White House along with Falwell and Robertson, I feel certain( It is my opinion) that the American people will remove them from office.

If the Moralistic Majority is in Congress, the American people will remove them from office.

However, if I am correct in my opinion and there is no such thing as the Moralistic Majority and that Robertson and Fawell exercise no real direct influence on the MASS of Congressmen, then I must most respecfully and graciously point out to the Deal Lady- Lola- that my OPINION checkmates her opinion.

Cheers- Dear Lola
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2003 06:02 pm
Itagato, You are a gas.......Wink
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sumac
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2003 06:09 pm
Gases dissipate into the ether.....
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Italgato
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2003 06:10 pm
Cicerone Imposter has helped me to gain an insight. We are here to exchange Ideas.

I must thank LightWizard for his trenchant and incisive comments concerning Paul Johnson's new book on Art. I knew that Johnson was an artist and interested in Art but I did not know he just finished a book which Lightwizard dubs as "Cloyingly mediocre"

Lightwizard has helped me to see the light.

Lightwizard has indicated that Paul Johnson's new book taints all the rest that he has written somehow.

I am beholden to Lightwizard and want him to know that I just burned all of his books- Yes, even the History of the Jews which did get some good reviews.

What would one do without all of the excellent insights from the members of these posts???

I must remember Lightwizard's excellent dictum-

One poor book automatically denigrates all of the previous books.

I did not know that-Mr. Lightwizard. After reading literary criticism for the past fifteen years, I had not come across that dictum.

Now I will not waste my money on Paul Johnson's book on Art. Nor will I spend time on his previous works.

My profound thanks to Mr. Lightwizard.
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Italgato
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2003 06:13 pm
Mr. Timber- I must protest......

I have been besmirched; denigrated; blackened.

I have been called a gas which dissapates into the ether.

I have been profoundly wounded by what Professor Hobibit calls "snide" remarks.

Help- help- help.
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sumac
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2003 06:19 pm
Couldn't resist. The need for some levity, ya know. Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2003 06:28 pm
Do hope the little fire from your book burning at least warmed the cockles of your heart.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2003 06:32 pm
One can imagine a sane, healthy, cheerful human society based on no more than the principles of common sense, as validated each day by work, play, and living experience. But this remains the most utopian and fantastic of ideals. I continue to be an optimist believing that soon the republican administration will collapse taking with it the pentagon.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2003 06:47 pm
dys, Don't you think ridding outselves of the pentagon is rather drastic in today's world?
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2003 06:51 pm
I'm hoping it collapses into a nice friendly sphere. Very Happy
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sumac
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2003 06:52 pm
(muttering to herself....I can't keep up with the email updates...)
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2003 06:59 pm
*whew* (waves air vigorously)

Who farted? Mr. Green
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2003 07:07 pm
c.i. my kindly reference to the "pentagon" is a simple reference to Mr Rumsfeld and his play mates.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2003 07:34 pm
dyslexia wrote:
c.i. my kindly reference to the "pentagon" is a simple reference to Mr Rumsfeld and his play mates.

To whom I would include Cheney and Rice!
(sounds like a particularly cheap and poorly cooked special at a greasy spoon, doesn't it! Very Happy )
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2003 07:40 pm
Rice and Cheney please, fried and tossed out!
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sun 5 Oct, 2003 08:34 pm
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