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2004 Elections: Democratic Party Contenders

 
 
Italgato
 
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Reply Tue 16 Sep, 2003 07:30 pm
Dear Lola:

I returned from Europe(business and pleasure) in June. I assure you I need no vacation but thank you for your concern.

In the meantime, if you need some good sources which outline the IQ concept, I will be happy to list them for you.
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Italgato
 
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Reply Tue 16 Sep, 2003 07:37 pm
Dear Professor Hobitbob:

If it wouldn't be too much trouble, would you tell me in which post I told you that I was an attorney or had a master's in engineering?

I don't recall ever saying that. I wouldn't since I am not an attorney and do not have a master's in engineering.


I am, however, at present, an entrepreneur.

I believe I wrote that I was an ABD.

I do have two houses( two and a half really since I own one jointly with my brother in Illinois)

You either screwed up your notes or have a poor recall.

That's not good, Professor Hobitbob. It can lead to embarrassment in the classroom, as I am sure you are aware.
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Italgato
 
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Reply Tue 16 Sep, 2003 07:39 pm
Lola- I am sure you know many things.

But you either forgot or did not know the point on the stablity of IQ over a lifetime.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 16 Sep, 2003 07:39 pm
while i do appreciate finely tuned humour, this thread seems to have turned into D.C. Comics without the illustrations. btw my I.Q. varies between 99 and 101.
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Italgato
 
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Reply Tue 16 Sep, 2003 07:41 pm
But dyslexia, if you are truly dyslexic, it may be that your IQ is really higher. Go to a special testing site which can take dyslexia into account. You may indeed get a score over 101.

Good luck!!!
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 16 Sep, 2003 07:42 pm
EDIT: 'ed to correct blatant cock-up. For explanation see here. Explanation also covers why this post is all about the Iraq/911 link - when neither Sofia nor MJ had actually been talking about that.

Sofia

Sofia wrote:
MJ--
Your statement that it has been well-established that al-Quaida didn't fly the planes into the WTC... Link please? Mohammad Atta has been linked to al-Quaida. Don't think he's the only one. I had reserved judgement--but since you cite well established facts, prove it.


Concerning the Atta / Iraq link - Cheney mentioned it in his speech, I believe. Below are two of the comments that provoked in the media. I've never heard of any of the other hijackers being linked to Saddam's Iraq, link would be appreciated.

Washington Post wrote:
He then revived the possibility that Mohamed Atta, who led the Sept. 11 attacks, allegedly met with an Iraqi intelligence officer in Baghdad five months before the attack. It is a story Cheney had repeated during a March 16 appearance on "Meet the Press" and one that his aides tried to have added to Powell's presentation in February at the United Nations.

"We've never been able to develop any more of that yet, either in terms of confirming it or discrediting it," Cheney said yesterday. "We just don't know."

An FBI investigation concluded that Atta was apparently in Florida at the time of the alleged meeting, and the CIA has always doubted it took place. Czech authorities, who first mentioned the alleged meeting in October 2001 to U.S. officials, have since said they no longer are certain the individual in the video of the supposed meeting was Atta. Meanwhile, in July, the U.S. military captured the Iraqi intelligence officer who was supposed to have met Atta and has not obtained confirmation from him.


Boston Globe wrote:
In particular, current intelligence officials reiterated yesterday that a reported Prague visit in April 2001 between Sept. 11 hijacker Mohamed Atta and an Iraqi agent had been discounted by the CIA, which sent former agency Director James R. Woolsey to investigate the claim. Woolsey did not find any evidence to confirm the report, officials said, and President Bush did not include it in the case for war in his State of the Union address last January.

But Cheney, on NBC's "Meet the Press," cited the report of the meeting as possible evidence of an Iraq-Al Qaeda link and said it was neither confirmed nor discredited, saying: "We've never been able to develop any more of that yet, either in terms of confirming it or discrediting it. We just don't know."

Multiple intelligence officials said that the Prague meeting, purported to be between Atta and senior Iraqi intelligence officer Ahmed Khalil Ibrahim Samir al-Ani, was dismissed almost immediately after it was reported by Czech officials in the aftermath of Sept. 11 and has since been discredited further.

The CIA reported to Congress last year that it could not substantiate the claim, while American records indicate Atta was in Virginia Beach, Va., at the time, the officials said yesterday. Indeed, two intelligence officials said yesterday that Ani himself, now in US custody, has also refuted the report. The Czech government has also distanced itself from its original claim.

A senior defense official with access to high-level intelligence reports expressed confusion yesterday over the vice president's decision to reair charges that have been dropped by almost everyone else. "There isn't any new intelligence that would precipitate anything like this," the official said, speaking on condition he not be named.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Tue 16 Sep, 2003 07:48 pm
:wink:
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 16 Sep, 2003 08:02 pm
Gosh, dick playing loose with intel reports...how out of character.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 16 Sep, 2003 08:04 pm
I'm not sure why nimh is going backwards on this issue. All subsequent findings by the intelligence community could not confirm any connections between al Qaida and Saddam. That Rummy would mention this has no bearing on truth, especially since everybody else says different.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Tue 16 Sep, 2003 08:22 pm
No, nimh, I won't bring a link because I had stated earlier to MJ that I reserved judgement on whether or not the flights were flown by al-Quaida. She said it was a well-established fact that they were not, and since she declared it was a well-established fact, I asked her to bring the link to prove her statement.
If you are interested in my conversation with her--you can read back.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Tue 16 Sep, 2003 08:27 pm
Whattinhell has any of this to do with the Ten Little Indians? I'm not surprised the vast majority of the electorate doesn't know who any of them are; this supposedly concerned, erudite and sophisticated group here (not excluding myself ... digessor extraordinaire that I am Rolling Eyes ) can't even carry on a topically consistent discussion of them on a thread specific to the subject, fer chrissakes. I wonder if thats due to lack of focus here, or lack of substance there, or maybe a bit of both.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Tue 16 Sep, 2003 08:30 pm
Once again: BIG FAT STRIPEY LIE WITH CHEESE ON TOP ALERT! Why did we invade Iraq?
WMD (where?)
Saddam supports Terrorism (LIE, lie, lie, lie...lie).
Iraq is an imminent threat to the US (lie, lie, lie, lie...lie).
"We don't want our fist clue that he has WMD to be a musroom cloud in one of our cities (Rice)" (Lie, lie, lie, lie...lie).
Woo-hoo..aren't we just splendiferous... we kicked the living daylights out of a country that wasn't a threat, plunged them into anarchy,and now can't figure out how to turn the lights back on. Maybe I should leave, because I like this nation less and less each day! Mad
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Tue 16 Sep, 2003 08:31 pm
Let's try it the other way around: Is there a link or anything convincing that Al'Qaeda DID fly the planes on 9/11? We should start there, I think, rather than with the negative... (or did I miss something?)
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Sofia
 
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Reply Tue 16 Sep, 2003 08:33 pm
Kennedy and Feinstein went in Kerry's column today.

Currently, they are the only things in his column.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Tue 16 Sep, 2003 08:45 pm
Well, with or without the beef, Kerry has the ketchup. Heard something interesting yesterday ... haven't looked on the web, but I imagine its there:
Both Kerry and Dean are seriously considering eschewing Federal Election Funds through the primary season, enabling them to bypass Election Spending laws, and spend freely of such unregulated funds as they can wrangle from deep-pocket contributors. Why not? Its worked before. Bush the Younger did it in 2000. While financially risky, perhaps, such a move would instantly elevate the gambler way above the heads of the rest of the pack, none of whom have a prayer without Federal Money. The move, should either or both decide to make it, starts a whole new ballgame, with a much easier to follow roster, IMHO.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Tue 16 Sep, 2003 08:51 pm
Ted Kennedy has been resolutely (even defensively, the other day) a Kerry supporter. I like Kennedy a lot and, though a Dean supporter, Kennedy's support of Kerry makes me take a more generous attitude towards Dean's most serious rival.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Tue 16 Sep, 2003 08:54 pm
Tartarin wrote:
Let's try it the other way around: Is there a link or anything convincing that Al'Qaeda DID fly the planes on 9/11? We should start there, I think, rather than with the negative... (or did I miss something?)


Yeah, you missed something. Only those asserting a statement as fact need to prove it.
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Sofia
 
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Reply Tue 16 Sep, 2003 08:57 pm
Wonder what Feinstein and Kennedy have against the front runner of their party? And, why the Clintonistas reject Dean so severely as to drag a newbie into the race?
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Italgato
 
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Reply Tue 16 Sep, 2003 08:59 pm
timber- You are indeed correct. The last report I read was that two thirds of the American Public could not name any one of the nine Democrats aiming for the nomination.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Tue 16 Sep, 2003 08:59 pm
I don't know, but considering I am not a member of either party, and am independent, I like a candidate that makes his own party sit up and take notice. Wink
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