2004 Elections: Democratic Party Contenders

hobit, I don't know what you mean, because the width of the post with the link is the same width as all the other posts on the page.

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What do you think Japan and Hitler had in mind? And, what was the purpose of 911? Forceful redecoration?

Don't act like you're that naive.

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I love the idea that we're not subordinated to the will of others... If wishes were...

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Sofia, Can you please address your question to a individual if that's what you're trying to do? Thx, c.i.

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Sofia wrote:

What do you think Japan and Hitler had in mind? And, what was the purpose of 911? Forceful redecoration?

Don't act like you're that naive.

The al-Quaeda is less interested in subjugationg the US than in reforming Islam. I have never understood the folks who seem to think divisions of tanks driven by bin-Laden are going to come rolling down Madison Ave. Terrorists, by definition, don't think the way Yammamoto or Rommel did. If they have any desire to change our way of life, it is to make us less open and free, which your little guy in the WH is happy to oblige. the Bush administration couldn't have planned a better event than 11th September to help advance their priorities. Bin-Laden/Al-Queda doesn't want Americans to convert, he wants them to die. There is a difference. In the large view, his "plan" if you will, is unworkable. The only people who have subjugeted others after 9/11 is the administration. It is you, Sofia, who are displaying naivete...The "red Dawn" fantasies of the far right are very misplaced.

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hobitbob wrote:

sofia wrote:
The vast majority of people in this country have one thing in common. We'd rather die than be subordinated to the will of others.

Who is trying to subordinate us to their will? The only group that seems out to destroy freedom and democracy is the current administration. It seems most americans are happily allowing their wills to be subordinated.

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A little off the subject, but not too much I hope... I just had a wonderful email from a friend which included the following comment about reading the Sunday papers:

"The first thing I read was the front page story on 'Dizzying Dive to Red Ink.' Great line about most of those who get to pay the bill having 'already been put to bed by their parents'."

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Brand X, I'm so happy for the Iraqis. Americans are paying with our blood and billions. I hope you're happy too!

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BTW, did anybody in this administration study about Rome?

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cicerone imposter wrote:

BTW, did anybody in this administration study about Rome?

We're already 30 years passed our life expectancy as a civilzation, history will catch up to us soon enough I think.

Brand X, I'm so happy for the Iraqis. Americans are paying with our blood and billions. I hope you're happy too!

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Some people from other countries faught for your freedom's in this country, right? They gave their lives and possesions up for your freedom, no?

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Brand X, I think you have some confusion; the US are the one's that sacrificed for other's freedoms during WWI and WWII at great sacrifice.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Brand X, I think you have some confusion; the US are the one's that sacrificed for other's freedoms during WWI and WWII at great sacrifice.

Errrr...what about The UK and France?

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What about when America was being formed by foreigners, struggles for unity and freedom, many lives paid those bills.

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hobit, Didn't mean to intentionally ignore the contributions of England and France, but without the US, Germany would have won both wars.

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Brand X, FYI, the US is composed of immigrants. Only the Native American Indians are considered for all intent and purposes, "non-immigrants." However, if you wish to study anthropology, even American Indians are said to have come from the Far East.

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The al-Quaeda is less interested in subjugationg the US than in reforming Islam.

And how did killing 3000 American citizens work into reforming Islam? Again, what was the purpose of 911?

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Splitting hairs aside, all I was trying to get across was, we have had contributions and sacrifices by other countries that we ultimately benefit from, even if the circumstances were different than the dealings in Iraq. Sorry to take it off track, please continue with your discussion.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Brand X, FYI, the US is composed of immigrants. Only the Native American Indians are considered for all intent and purposes, "non-immigrants." However, if you wish to study anthropology, even American Indians are said to have come from the Far East.

Thanks for helping make part of my point.

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Sofia wrote:

The al-Quaeda is less interested in subjugationg the US than in reforming Islam.

And how did killing 3000 American citizens work into reforming Islam? Again, what was the purpose of 911?

the purpose of a terror attack is to sow the seeds of conflict and discontent. A US that is busy repressing its own citizens isn't likly to have time to go after al-Quaeda. The purpose of Teror is terror. Bin-Laden does not want to take over the US. The doesn't want to "take over" anything. He wants to create anarchy. By striking the US, bin-Laden shows that his organization can attack a "mighty" power and be free of repurcussions (he was wrong), therefore adding legitimacy to his world view and increasing recruitment. Al-Quaeda's principle target isn't the US, it is Islam. Bin Laden and others like him are not too dissimilar from Muntzer and the Anabaptists in 16th century Europe.

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"Again, what was the purpose of 911?"

The stated reasons were:
1) US troops in Saudi Arabia
2) US support of corrupt Middle Eastern regimes.
3) US support of sanctions against Iraq.
4) US support of Israel to the detriment of the Palestinans.

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