2004 Elections: Democratic Party Contenders

Hey, kids...spot the lie:
"We gave him the chance to let the inspectors in, but he refused, so we had to go to war."-Bush
After hostilities ahd commenced, with Annan at his side.
"For those who say we haven't found WMD, they are wrong. We have. " -Bush
To Polish TV, in reference to the H2 trailers, when even captive DOD analysts were saying these were not WMDs.
"We know exactly where they are. They are in Tikrit, to the North, South, East,and West."-Rumsfeld
Saying you know "exactly" where something is, imlplies one will tehrfore produce it after the bang bang phase, no?
"Mission Accomplished."-Bush
Doesn't even deserve further comment.
"We didn't start this war..."-Wolfowitz
Apparently he's been reading Anne Coulter.

The alternative to these statements being lires is that our "leaders" are complete and total barking idiots. I prefer to think they are liars.

Try this link on Bush lies. http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/07/22_lies.html

hobitbob wrote:

Hey, kids...spot the lie:
"We gave him the chance to let the inspectors in, but he refused, so we had to go to war."-Bush
After hostilities ahd commenced, with Annan at his side.
"For those who say we haven't found WMD, they are wrong. We have. " -Bush
To Polish TV, in reference to the H2 trailers, when even captive DOD analysts were saying these were not WMDs.
"We know exactly where they are. They are in Tikrit, to the North, South, East,and West."-Rumsfeld
Saying you know "exactly" where something is, imlplies one will tehrfore produce it after the bang bang phase, no?
"Mission Accomplished."-Bush
Doesn't even deserve further comment.
"We didn't start this war..."-Wolfowitz
Apparently he's been reading Anne Coulter.

The alternative to these statements being lires is that our "leaders" are complete and total barking idiots. I prefer to think they are liars.

You only left out one minor thing, proof. You still can't and never will be able to prove what knowledge was actually in hand at the moment the statements were made. If you can't prove that and compare it to each particular outcome, it is wrong to say someone is a liar as a fact, you can only have it as an opinion, that doesn't make it so.

I've seen all that and I'm not arguing for Bush, I'm arguing the definition of a lie, and the definition you guys keep illustrating wouldn't hold up in a court of law, so don't waist your time digging up articles and debunks because it won't prove anything.

Brand X wrote:

I've seen all that and I'm not arguing for Bush, I'm arguing the definition of a lie, and the definition you guys keep illustrating wouldn't hold up in a court of law, so don't waist your time digging up articles and debunks because it won't prove anything.

Brand x invokes the far right defense:
Lalalalala I'm plugging my ears and can't hear you lalalalala!

In asserting that "we found the weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq, President George Bush has presented a far less expansive estimate of Saddam Hussein's chemical, biological and nuclear capabilities than the one he used for months to justify the war.

Since last August Mr Bush and his top lieutenants said it was an absolute certainty that Iraq remained in possession of significant quantities of banned weapons, particularly chemical and biological munitions.

But Mr Bush's remarks on Thursday, in an interview on Polish television, made it clear the United States had lowered its standards of proof. Mr Bush said the discovery in Iraq of two trailers, with laboratory equipment but no pathogens, was tantamount to a discovery of weapons.

On March 30 on US television, the Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, said of the prohibited weapons: "We know where they are. They are in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."

From my dictionary: "lie - 1. A false statement or piece of information deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood. 2. Anything meant to deceive or give a wrong impression."