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Tit for Tet

 
 
Fedral
 
Reply Thu 27 May, 2004 09:06 am
Tit for Tet
Ann Coulter
May 27, 2004

Abu Ghraib is the new Tet offensive. By lying about the Tet offensive during the Vietnam War, the media managed to persuade Americans we were losing the war, which demoralized the nation and caused us to lose the war. And people say reporters are lazy.

The immediate consequence of the media's lies was a 25 percent drop in support for the war. The long-term consequence for America was 12 years in the desert until Ronald Reagan came in and saved the country.

Now liberals are using their control of the media to persuade the public that we are losing the war in Iraq. Communist dictators may have been ruthless murderers bent on world domination, but they displayed a certain degree of rationality. America may not be able to wait out 12 years of Democrat pusillanimity now that we're dealing with Islamic lunatics who slaughter civilians in suicide missions while chanting "Allah Akbar!"

And yet the constant drumbeat of failure, quagmire, Abu Ghraib, Bush-lied-kids-died has been so successful that merely to say the war in Iraq is going well provokes laughter. The distortions have become so pervasive that Michael Moore teeters on the brink of being considered a reliable source.

If President Bush mentions our many successes in Iraq, it is evidence that he is being "unrealistically sunny and optimistic," as Michael O'Hanlon of the liberal Brookings Institution put it.

O'Hanlon's searing indictment of the operation in Iraq is that we need to "make sure they have some budget resources that they themselves decide how to spend that are not already pre-allocated." So that's the crux of our challenge in Iraq: Make sure their "accounts receivable" columns all add up. Whenever great matters are at stake, you can always count on liberals to have some pointless, womanly complaint.

We have liberated the Iraqi people from a brutal dictator who gassed his own people, had weapons of mass destruction, invaded his neighbors, harbored terrorists, funded terrorists and had reached out to Osama bin Laden. Liberals may see Saddam's mass graves in Iraq as half-full, but I prefer to see them as half-empty.

So far, we have found chemical and biological weapons - brucella and Congo-Crimean hemorrhagic fever, ricin, sarin, aflatoxin - and long-range missiles in Iraq.

The terrorist "stronghold" of Karbala was abandoned last week by Islamic crazies loyal to cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, who slunk away when it became clear that no one supported them. Iraqis living in Karbala had recently distributed fliers asking the rebels to please leave, further underscoring one of the principal remaining problems in Iraq - the desperate need for more Kinko's outlets. Last weekend, our troops patrolled this rebel "stronghold" without a shot being fired.

The entire Kurdish region - one-third of the country - is patrolled by about 300 American troops, which is fewer than it takes to patrol the Kennedy compound in Palm Beach on Easter weekends.

But the media tell us this means we're losing. The goalpost of success keeps shifting as we stack up a string of victories. Before the war, New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof warned that war with Iraq would be a nightmare: "[W]e won't kill Saddam, trigger a coup or wipe out his Republican Guard forces." (Unless, he weaseled his way out, "we're incredibly lucky.")

We've done all that! How incredibly lucky.

Kristof continued: "We'll have to hunt out Saddam on the ground - which may be just as hard as finding Osama in Afghanistan, and much bloodier."

We've captured Saddam! And it wasn't bloody! Indeed, the most harrowing aspect of Saddam's capture was that he hadn't bathed or been de-liced for two months.

Kristof also said: "Our last experience with street-to-street fighting was confronting untrained thugs in Mogadishu, Somalia. This time we're taking on an army with possible bio- and chemical weapons, 400,000 regular army troops and supposedly 7 million more in Al Quds militia."

And yet, somehow, our boys defeated them in just six weeks! Incredibly lucky again! And just think: all of this accomplished without even having a "Plan."

Now we're fighting directly with Islamic loonies crawling out of their rat holes from around the entire region - which liberals also said wouldn't happen. Remember how liberals said the Islamic loonies hated Saddam Hussein - hated him! - because he was a "secularist"? As geopolitical strategist Paul Begala put it, Saddam would never share his weapons with terrorists because "those Islamic terrorists would use them against Saddam Hussein because he's secular."

Well, apparently, the crazies have put aside their scruples about Saddam's secularism to come out in the open where they can be shot by American troops rather than fighting on the streets of Manhattan (where the natives would immediately surrender).

The beauty of being a liberal is that history always begins this morning. Every day liberals can create a new narrative that destroys the past as it occurred. We have always been at war with Eastasia.

To be sure, Iraq is not a bed of roses. As the Brookings Institution scholar said, we have yet to give the Iraqis "budget resources" that "are not already pre-allocated." I take it back: It is a quagmire.

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Reply Thu 27 May, 2004 10:30 am
Fedral

The author is THE one person the liberals here love to hate even more than Bush-----this little truth revealing piece should get more than a little "trash talk"
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Fedral
 
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Reply Thu 27 May, 2004 10:54 am
True perception, but what I'd like to do is see a no hold barred, steel cage death match between Ann Coulter and Nancy Pelosi. Laughing

We could seel tickets pay per view and almost pay off the cost of the war with one event. Laughing
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perception
 
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Reply Thu 27 May, 2004 11:36 am
How true ----- what a great idea. You could probably raise enough money to rebuild Iraq.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 27 May, 2004 11:45 am
wait a friggin minit. ANNIE weve found one shell of a compound that is half sarin (the methanol was all gone it was that old. We found some sample jars of brucella and Aflotoxin is found on grain. i missed the ricin find.

As I recall, It was not anyone but Rumsfeld who said that we would be greeted and taken in as liberating heroes.

sorry to intrude on your mutual masturbatorium
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Fedral
 
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Reply Thu 27 May, 2004 11:54 am
farmerman wrote:
wait a friggin minit. ANNIE weve found one shell of a compound that is half sarin (the methanol was all gone it was that old. We found some sample jars of brucella and Aflotoxin is found on grain. i missed the ricin find.

As I recall, It was not anyone but Rumsfeld who said that we would be greeted and taken in as liberating heroes.

sorry to intrude on your mutual masturbatorium


So whats the amount farmerman ? Why don't you liberals give us an actual amount of WMD that you would accept as proof...

Not ... "Well it was only one shell" (it was 2 actually when you count the mustard gas shell)

Not ... "It was probably leftover from the Iran/Iraq War"


It seems no matter what we find, it's not enough ... so give us an EXACT amount that you will accept as proof and we will keep our mouths shut until we find that much.

The problem is, it seems like if we found 1000 shells filled with sarin, you liberals would need 1010 ... then when we found 10 more ... you would say ... well 50 more would be proof.

Give us an amount ... since that shell only had the ability to kill a couple of thousand people that may help your calculations.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 27 May, 2004 01:32 pm
cmon now. Ive got the feeling that the spirit of
"A program of WMD related activities'
would, at least involve enough weaponry to affect a sizable population . We were "fed" a pile of dog doo that emphatically instilled fear into America that SADDAM waS an imminent threaT. nONE OF this stuff fits.
I happen to know the binary agents for sarin, or other specific nerve agents like GB (sarin IS VX) need a second compound (in most cases an alcohol) The alky in this shell was either dried up or not even loaded. Therefore, it couldnt have killed anyone
WHAT THEY FOUND HARDLY DEFINES "THREAT" thats my point. I dont like the spirit of mendacity that pervades this admin's information dissemination. Yessir, a whole damn lotta mendacity goin around about these WMDs, and i for one aint gonna let you get away with these cut and paste bullshit articles from shotgun Annie. She has been the biggest spin-off artist working for the Bush Campaqign. And to boot, shes a shitty writer.You are also showing an inability to deal with truth as it presents itself. In this case you seem to hope beyond all sense that the WMDs have been found. We went to war expecting to get dealt a chemical attack, fact is, it never happened. DIdnt you get the news then? Weve already dispensed with the Uranium lie so now were after single shells of "expired" VX and with that discovery, somehow regain our international status. You are easily led by the nose. I am not.

Liberal or Conservative's got nothing to do with this issue. I know plenty of PRe war supportive DEMs (me included) and GOPs who are really PO'd because, when they think for themselves , they realize theyve been conned
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Thu 27 May, 2004 01:36 pm
Could you guys cut it out with the Viet-nam analogies allready.

Don't you know there are officially no similarities between these two conflicts?
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Fedral
 
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Reply Thu 27 May, 2004 01:38 pm
farmerman wrote:
cmon now. Ive got the feeling that the spirit of
"A program of WMD related activities'
would, at least involve enough weaponry to affect a sizable population . We were "fed" a pile of dog doo that emphatically instilled fear into America that SADDAM waS an imminent threaT. nONE OF this stuff fits.
I happen to know the binary agents for sarin, or other specific nerve agents like GB (sarin IS VX) need a second compound (in most cases an alcohol) The alky in this shell was either dried up or not even loaded.
WHAT THEY FOUND HARDLY DEFINES "THREAT" thats my point. I dont like the spirit of mendacity that pervades this admin's information dissemination. Yessir, a whole damn lotta mendacity goin around about these WMDs, and i for one aint gonna let you get away with these cut and paste bullshit articles from shotgun Annie. She has been the biggest spin-off artist working for the Bush Campaqign. And to boot, shes a shitty writer.

Liberal or Conservative's got nothing to do with this issue. Iknow plenty of GOPs who are really PO'd because, when they think for themselves , they realize theyve been conned


My GOD farmerman, that was an evasion worthy of 'Slick Willie' Clinton...

Notice how you totally evaded the entire 'quantifyable measure' issue and then went off on Ann again to deflect any chance that you would be pinned down on a number... a hard FIRM number.

C'mon ... we are waiting. Laughing
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Thu 27 May, 2004 01:53 pm
Fedral,

As an aside, I love your new avatar!
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Fedral
 
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Reply Thu 27 May, 2004 01:58 pm
ebrown_p wrote:
Fedral,

As an aside, I love your new avatar!


Thanks ebrown,

For the complete story on my new avatar, read:

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=25588
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farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 27 May, 2004 02:13 pm
I guess you want an amount because youve been whupped on the other points and you wish to sort of slide into ad hominems. Ok

I Think that if we find , say 5 cases of "Unexpired" 155 shells loaded with GB or VX, Ill give a little/
Howver, the strategic threat represented by Nukes has been slowly and methodically debunked. We know where and who has , oxide, hex, and enriched uranium. and, it seems, ever since the Israelis capped Saddaqms early attempts at breeder reactors(over 20 years ago), we havent found squat.

Your attempts at diversion from the significance of Shotgun Annies article are not very opinion changing.

I also have got to admire how you worked Clinton into your post. I hope GW can live long after hes gone in the same derisive lit. All Bill did was expend some DNA.
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Fedral
 
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Reply Thu 27 May, 2004 02:26 pm
farmer,

I post Ann because I love to read her rants (even if I don't always agree with the rambling points she tries to make)... and because I know that she gets under the skin of most Liberals worse than an Alabama tick.


I see you seem to be one of those people that feels that only nuclear weapons are WMD's or that nukes are the weapons that you were expecting to find.

I on the other hand, am more terrified of chemical and biological weapons than nuclear. (Nukes are easier to detect upon entry into the country)

Once you see the statistics on what nerve agents can do to a person, give me radiation sickness ANY DAY and lets not even start in on biological agents.

I accept your '5 cases' (BTW they come 2 shells to a case) amount (Although I noticed that you evaded well here by saying you would 'give a little' not that you would admit to there being WMD's ... well done there.) Laughing
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perception
 
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Reply Thu 27 May, 2004 03:33 pm
ebrown_p wrote:
Could you guys cut it out with the Viet-nam analogies allready.

Don't you know there are officially no similarities between these two conflicts?


What's wrong ebrown----getting a little queasy about THE ONLY real analogy with Vietnam? Immediately after the "TET" offensive the media launched into a campaign to convince the American people about the terrible defeat inflicted by the North Vietnamese and low and behold it became a reality even though we damn near wiped out the opposing forces. They had come out into the open instead of fighting from the shadows and they were vulnerable to airpower and artillery.

The media is again now attempting to pull the same manuever-----to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by massively scandalizing the Abu Graib prison thing along with other setbacks-----it won't take much more to make this defeat a reality. Will that make you happy?????
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Thu 27 May, 2004 03:57 pm
Since the media is "attempting" to make sure the US is defeated in Iraq, I don't think we have a chance.

Al Graib is bad enough. If the media ever finds out about the insurgency or the failure to find any more then one weapon of mass destruction its all over.

The media's defeat of the US will be assured.
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