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God's Presence on Earth through His Spirit (Scripture & Photos Examined)

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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jan, 2015 07:02 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

It appears that, for this discussion, they are being used interchangably


I am asking about the "...believe in..." part...not the "Jesus" or "Christ."

What do they mean when they say they "believe in" that?

What do you mean when you say it?

Smileyrius
 
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Reply Sun 25 Jan, 2015 07:12 pm
@Frank Apisa,
To believe in someone, it is usually a term that is used to express support and/or admiration for what that person stands for, together with trust and faith in their ability to fulfil a proposed role.
neologist
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jan, 2015 01:53 pm
@Smileyrius,
Smileyrius wrote:
To believe in someone, it is usually a term that is used to express support and/or admiration for what that person stands for, together with trust and faith in their ability to fulfil a proposed role.
As opposed to those who simply believe in a thing's existence.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jan, 2015 02:15 pm
@Smileyrius,
Smileyrius wrote:

To believe in someone, it is usually a term that is used to express support and/or admiration for what that person stands for, together with trust and faith in their ability to fulfil a proposed role.



But if you say you "believe in god"...you can't be doing that. There may be no gods.

IF someone says, "I believe in flying saucers"...they can't be doing that.

It must mean something else.
neologist
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jan, 2015 02:34 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Belief and faith are related, but not synonymous
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jan, 2015 02:37 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

Belief and faith are related, but not synonymous


Fish and fowl are related, but are not synonymous, Neo.

But what do either of those thoughts have to do with the matter being discussed?
neologist
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jan, 2015 02:43 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Actually, Frank. I don't believe any of us really understand what Patch is trying to get across, including Patches himself.
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Smileyrius
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jan, 2015 04:30 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Or could it be that it does not have a singular meaning?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/believe

Whether or not a god exists, makes no difference to the character that is portrayed in such a being, whether fictional or not.
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jan, 2015 05:32 pm
@Smileyrius,
Smileyrius wrote:

Or could it be that it does not have a singular meaning?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/believe

Whether or not a god exists, makes no difference to the character that is portrayed in such a being, whether fictional or not.


I do not understand what you are saying here, Smiley.
Smileyrius
 
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Reply Tue 27 Jan, 2015 05:50 pm
@Frank Apisa,
The characteristics attributed to the god of the bible does not change whether he exists or not. To believe in his character alludes to belief in his existence, but is not intrinsic. my apologies for any lack in clarity, I d like to play the baby brain card.
Patches
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2015 06:34 am
@Smileyrius,
There are people that believe in Jesus, but not as Christ (Savior).
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2015 06:38 am
@Smileyrius,
Smileyrius wrote:

The characteristics attributed to the god of the bible does not change whether he exists or not.


Okay. I agree. The characteristics of ANY character, fictional or not, does not change. The characteristics described...are the characteristics described.

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To believe in his character alludes to belief in his existence...


I do not do any "believing" at all...so that does not apply to me.

However, if you are saying that if I comment on a particular character like Batman, Superman, Scrooge, Don Quixote, Indiana Jones, Bilbo Baggins, Darth Varer, the Little Mermaid, Snow White, the Wicked Witch...and comment on the characteristics of that character...that means I would be implying that I think the character is real? That in order for me to make those comments...it means I am suggesting I think the character actually exists

Think this one out more carefully, Smiley.

Quote:

...but is not intrinsic. my apologies for any lack in clarity, I d like to play the baby brain card.


Fine with me. Ball in your court again.

Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2015 06:39 am
@Patches,
Patches wrote:

There are people that believe in Jesus, but not as Christ (Savior).


What do you mean by "believe in"...in that sentence, Patches?
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Patches
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2015 07:15 am
@Smileyrius,
There are people who believe in Jesus but not in Christ (Savior). Two examples are the Muslim and Jewish religions. I of course believe in Jesus as my Savior and as the Son of God.
FBM
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2015 07:42 am
@Patches,
Why?
Patches
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2015 10:06 am
@FBM,
The answer in which you seek is in my personal testimony;

http://www.christianforums.com/t7720346/
FBM
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2015 10:09 am
@Patches,
Sorry, but I couldn't get that page to load. Would you mind giving us the Cliff's Notes version here?
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2015 10:45 am
Unless Patches is a hypocrite, he/she worships the god that Jesus worshiped.

Lots to answer for that.
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neologist
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2015 02:17 pm
@Patches,
Please post your replies on our board.
Patches
 
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2015 02:55 pm
Try the link again. My username on that forum is "notforgotten."
 

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