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NFL Fires a Player qua Domestic Violence; morally right??

 
 
Buttermilk
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2014 04:00 am
@Germlat,
I've been saying this here and in my thread. The NFL is not interested in abuse whether domestic violence or drug related issues. It's about an image they're trying to maintain and fulfill. This isn't about stirring the pot or to promote an advocacy for true victims of abuse, this is about appealing to grass roots organizations and media.

There have been many players of all major sports that have been putting foot to ass to their wives for years. Same thing with this Peterson situation. I was whooped with a switch for years as many kids from the south and now all of a sudden sponsors are dropping out on the Vikings organization. SMH this is all a publicity stunt.
Germlat
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2014 04:05 am
@Buttermilk,
Buttermilk wrote:

I've been saying this here and in my thread. The NFL is not interested in abuse whether domestic violence or drug related issues. It's about an image they're trying to maintain and fulfill. This isn't about stirring the pot or to promote an advocacy for true victims of abuse, this is about appealing to grass roots organizations and media.

There have been many players of all major sports that have been putting foot to ass to their wives for years. Same thing with this Peterson situation. I was whooped with a switch for years as many kids from the south and now all of a sudden sponsors are dropping out on the Vikings organization. SMH this is all a publicity stunt.

I think the same way....they never even requested the video. The incident happened in February.
Buttermilk
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2014 08:28 am
@Germlat,
Right exactly
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Buttermilk
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2014 08:31 am
I see the "thumbs down patrol" is on point today....

Look right is right and I don't condone domestic violence whether it's a male or female and although there are female antagonists statistics don't lie when it comes to men perpetrating violence against men. It's wrong and we need to speak out on it. Self-defense is one thing, simply putting hands on a person because you're mad is immature and it displays a loss of impulse control. So the thumbs down patrol can stop with the thumbs down nonsense. I'm all for men's rights and I advocate it but right is right and wrong is wrong.

Should Ray Rice lose his job? No. But I'm not an NFL commissioner and frankly Rice is simply a product of being the hang man for his actions.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2014 12:17 pm
@hawkeye10,
No you're not, but what does that matter other than as an expression of your reaction to this matter? Are you suggesting that the State should mandate a belief in redemption? Should employers be forced to give employees a second chance?

It's a simple matter. Rice's behavior harmed the NFL, and his continued "employment" will harm it further. Your belief in redemption is irrelevant.

An action doesn't have to meet each and every person's definition of the word to be "fair," and since there is a contract involved, to which Rice freely agreed, that permits the NFL to "ban" him for certain behaviors it's quite equitable as well.

It's a tough argument to make that society will benefit so much from Rice being given a "second chance" that a legal contract should be rendered unenforceable.

And all the blather about Corporate America and Capital is just that. There's a decent chance that there is an entity termed something like Ray Rice Inc. And anyone making $22 million is a personification of "Capital." Rice was represented by an agent and lawyers who if not part of actual corporations, were certainly involved in "big business"

In business deals it is very often the case that one party has greater leverage than the other, one party needs the other more than the other needs them. If you're on the short end of this imbalance you accept terms and conditions that are more favorable to the other party than yourself, or you don't make the deal. It's the way business has worked for millennia and there is nothing legally or morally wrong with it.

If someone doesn't want their personal life to make a difference in their professional life then they need be selective in the profession they choose.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2014 12:19 pm
@engineer,
Well, it's not always a question about what is best for society, or perhaps the issue is that allowing parties to enter into enforceable contracts is what's best for society.
engineer
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2014 02:21 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Well, it's not always a question about what is best for society, or perhaps the issue is that allowing parties to enter into enforceable contracts is what's best for society.

The legal question is all about the contract and I don't think we're really debating it. The Ravens are legally entitled to let Rice go. It seems like everyone is on board with that one although I did see one post about double jeopardy. To me the A2K debate (and thread title) is whether the Ravens and the NFL are morally right. What should the NFL had done? Should they pursue the almighty dollar to maximize shareholder value - the purpose of a corporation - or is there a greater purpose to be served? Is that purpose furthered by hammering Rice without a hearing even though the legal system gave him a pass or would it have been better to give him some level of support? Does the NFL commissioner know enough about domestic violence to take a well considered action? Is the NFL consistent in its approach or does it blow where the winds of public opinion take it? Why does the NFL feel the need to police its employees anyway?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2014 03:00 pm
@engineer,
Ya, the media starts with the assumption that the NFL kicking Rice out is a morally right choice. One, nothing should ever be assumed without evaluation, and two I think that the result of the evaluation is that the NFL made the more wrong choice. I and othere have given many paragraphs on why the NFL's behavior is either questionable or wrong.

When one looks at media a lot of criticism is made if the NFL, but it is all HIT. HARDER! The idea that the NFL hit too hard I have only seen come from Jenkins, and she will not say thst they did here she only says that the NFL has shown a pattern of hitting its players too hard.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2014 09:14 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
The NBC/Marist poll shows that 53 percent of Americans and 57 percent of football fans disapprove of the way the NFL has handled the recent reports of domestic violence. The survey finds that men are more disapproving of the NFL (55 percent say so) than women (50 percent).


http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/nfl-controversy/exclusive-america-shrugs-scandals-plaguing-nfl-nbc-poll-reveals-n206676

Now let me guess....the pollsters simply assumed that those who disapprove of NFL actions wanted the NFL to hit earlier and/or harder....right?


ANSWER: YEP

http://newscms.nbcnews.com/sites/newscms/files/nbcmaristnflpoll.pdf
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2014 10:05 pm
Quote:

Benched: NFL players out amid claims of violence
By Steve Almasy and Eliott C. McLaughlin, CNN
September 18, 2014

(CNN) -- Surely, not. Sometimes things happen that propel a palm to your head. You just ask aloud, "Really?"

With the brightest of spotlights on the NFL -- and its handling of domestic violence issues threatening to tarnish the shield that represents the most profitable and popular sports league in the country -- you'd think the nation's pro football players would be on their best behavior.

So, it sparks a little incredulity when -- on the heels of five players' arrests, the indefinite suspension of a premier running back and the deactivation of two of the NFL's biggest stars -- yet another NFL player is alleged to have exacted violence against loved ones.

As women's groups demand change from the top down -- and one group is demanding the ouster of Commissioner Roger Goodell and flying banners over stadiums that say, "#GoodellMustGo" -- the bad news kept piling on the National Football League on Wednesday.

Jonathan Dwyer walked off the Arizona Cardinals' practice field and into the backseat of a Phoenix police cruiser after multiple allegations of felony assault.

It was the latest public relations debacle for the NFL, as Dwyer brought the total number of players facing domestic violence or child abuse charges to six, after July incidents in which police say he broke his wife's nose with a head butt and punched her in the face.

Here is a quick look at those players and their travails.

Adrian Peterson

One of the top players in the NFL, he left the Minnesota Vikings on Wednesday to deal with child abuse accusations in Texas. Peterson had been deactivated by the Vikings and missed Sunday's game, then reactivated Monday. But the team said it needed to correct its mistake and deactivated him again.

Peterson then took a leave of absence and Goodell placed him on the exempt list, which gives the team the opportunity to continue to pay him while he deals with his legal issues. At no point has Peterson been suspended.

Greg Hardy

The Carolina Panthers' defensive star also took a leave of absence because of legal troubles. As with Peterson, Hardy will be paid while he is away from the team. Hardy was convicted by a judge in July on misdemeanor assault charges. He asked for a new trial in front of a jury, which is scheduled for mid-November. Hardy played one game then was deactivated as the outrage against the NFL grew over how it was dealing with domestic violence issues.

He has proclaimed his innocence of the charges, which were filed after police said he assaulted his then-girlfriend and threatened to kill her. He was sentenced to 18 months of probation and received a 60-day suspended sentence.

Jonathan Dwyer

The most recent player to be arrested, the running back is alleged to have assaulted a 27-year-old woman and an 18-month-old child. Sgt. Trent Crump, a Phoenix police spokesman, said it would be reckless to identify the victims. Dwyer, 25, spent Wednesday night in the Maricopa County Jail, and the Arizona Cardinals deactivated him. Crump said neighbors reported two incidents in July.

Dwyer posted bond and was released from jail Thursday after a judge set a $25,000 "cash-only" bond and required him to wear an electronic monitoring device and abide by a curfew. He won't be able to take part in any team activities after his release.

The woman didn't allege any violence until last week, when she called from another state, where she had moved with the child. The most serious of six charges were three counts of assault, one of which caused a fracture. CNN's attempt to reach his agent was unsuccessful.

Ray Rice

The running back without a team is appealing his indefinite suspension by the league. While Rice has called punching his future wife in the head and knocking her out "inexcusable," he is seeking to have the opportunity to play in the NFL again. The players' union has complained that Rice didn't receive due process from Goodell, who suspended him in June to a two-game ban, then increased the penalty to an indefinite suspension. That came earlier this month after TMZ Sports posted a video that showed the punch.

Rice was three days away from completing the original suspension when the indefinite ban was handed down and when the Baltimore Ravens terminated his contract.

Ray McDonald

On August 31, three days after Goodell created an NFL policy against domestic violence, San Francisco 49ers defensive tackle Ray McDonald was arrested on an accusation of felony domestic violence. The new policy imposes a minimum six-game unpaid ban for first-time offenders and up to a lifetime ban for second-time offenders.

No charges have been filed in the incident involving McDonald. Neither the team nor the league has levied any discipline in the case, and the starter at left defensive tackle played the first two games of the season.

Quincy Enunwa

The Jets practice squad player's arrest went practically overlooked outside of the New York area. According to USA Today's "NFL Players Arrests" tracker, he was arrested on September 4.

Enunwa was charged with simple assault after a woman told police he pulled her off a bed at a hotel, causing a head injury, ESPNNewYork.com reported. He pleaded not guilty, ESPN said, adding that the player was still practicing with the team.
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Thu 18 Sep, 2014 11:43 pm
@Buttermilk,
You said you where whupped with a switch, did that happen in the mean streets of Compton, or in an actual part of the South. I corrected whooped to whupped, I assumed it was a typo, because if you've been whupped, you would never use whoop. That actually sounds like fun, think whoopy. Mr. gb was whupped with a switch in Raileigh in the mid to late 50's. So, did you grow up in big bad Compton, or come up somewhere in the Deep South.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2014 12:51 am
http://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/morris-datalab-nfl-vaw-12.png?w=610&h=489

The NFL has a BIG problem. No wonder they are cracking the whip. Drunk
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2014 12:26 pm
The NFL is learning the hard way that in business you want to be just moral enough and just socially responsible enough to keep the customers ( not the critics) happy, and do any upgrades quietly. When you make a big deal about doing the right thing you will get very little credit for doing the right thing, and you wil mostly get told that you should be doing more no matter how much you have already done.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2014 01:33 pm
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:
You said you where whupped with a switch, did that happen in the mean streets of Compton, or in an actual part of the South. I corrected whooped to whupped, I assumed it was a typo, because if you've been whupped, you would never use whoop. That actually sounds like fun, think whoopy. Mr. gb was whupped with a switch in Raileigh in the mid to late 50's. So, did you grow up in big bad Compton, or come up somewhere in the Deep South.
Presumably, that is a corruption of "whipped".
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2014 02:08 pm
An hour news conference for the NFL to say that they are going to move forwards in turning the NFL into a arbiter of justice organization. I was struck by the commish's willingness to avoid questions and his unwillingness to praise the players for being much better behaved than the general population is.

Big mistake: "the problem is that we have not had the guidance of experts" in a time when the alleged experts are increasingly held in disrepute.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2014 08:39 pm
@hawkeye10,
The commish cooked himself with his no news conference shuck and jive act. He is done.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2014 09:26 pm
Are rumors that Condi Rice might take the job correct? She would be perfect.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2014 10:33 pm
@hawkeye10,
From Secretary of State to THAT???????

Y ?
One Eyed Mind
 
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Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2014 11:09 pm
@hawkeye10,
Life is easy when you think for yourself, but life can easily become virtual suicide when you think for everyone else including yourself.
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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 19 Sep, 2014 11:18 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
From Secretary of State to THAT???????

Y ?

Well, I think the job pays $44 million a year. That's a pretty good incentive.
 

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