The Day Ferguson Cops Were Caught in a Bloody Lie

you are every bit as subjective in your conclusions as he, just 180 off.

no you've decided on conclusions that are based upon the autopsy.

Yours is also but a THEORY (in its non-scientific definition).
One cannot conclude correctly ither way without further trong evidence.

Interesting, both sides have the same evidence, but reach different tales.

Im still listening but remain unconvinced.
Either conclusion COULD be the truth. Ya gotta do more work Dave.

Acting cute and befuddled doesn't cut it, youre waay sharper than that.
Frank isn't wasting time with name calling and "play by play"
regarding the deceased. Id suggest you do the same.

the forensics suggest a close encounter in which several scenarios could be deduced.
1Yours above, because there were no defensive wounds

2another, in which Brown was grabbing for the officers gun and was stopped by the shots. Brown had powder burn on his body as determined from the police forensics team (They DID NOT from the forensic done by the family ).
The disparity of results may be due to the fact tht Browns body was washed by the mortuary after the police forensic team exam and before the families forensic team exam .Also, some tissue was extracted and detailed powder exams were done by several presumptive and quantitative means.

It gonna be an interesting battle of lawyers.

Indeed...it will be. I'll be interested to see how it plays out.

If I had to guess...Wilson will not be indicted.

Whites don't do robberies. Ever hear of Enron and Worldcom?

As I see you still have problems with English...
a robbery is the taking of ones property by threat or use of force.

farmerman wrote:

the forensics suggest a close encounter in which several scenarios could be deduced.
1Yours above, because there were no defensive wounds

2another, in which Brown was grabbing for the officers gun and was stopped by the shots. Brown had powder burn on his body as determined from the police forensics team (They DID NOT from the forensic done by the family ).
The disparity of results may be due to the fact tht Browns body was washed by the mortuary after the police forensic team exam and before the families forensic team exam .Also, some tissue was extracted and detailed powder exams were done by several presumptive and quantitative means.

It gonna be an interesting battle of lawyers.

Frank Apisa wrote:

Indeed...it will be. I'll be interested to see how it plays out.

If I had to guess...Wilson will not be indicted.

Yes, because the objective evidence (the autopsy)
proves his perfect innocence when added to his explanation.

David

He MAY have been trying to surrender

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He MAY have been trying to surrender

Frank:
None of the wounds to the arms indicates he was "trying to surrender". Therefore, to say he MAY have been surrendering is RIDICULOUS. The implication of your presentation is quite clear, even though you hide behind weasel like tactics. You pretend to be impartial but your words belie your genuine thoughts. Protest all you like, but this is patently and painfully obvious.

Nothing is "proved" here, David.
There are some facts...some speculation...and on your part,
some rather disturbing notions of how the world can become a better place.

As I have noted often...I come from a family with lots of cops and other law enforcement people. I tend to side with the law enforcement people...but I also want to be fair. People like you who claim the issue is already certain; that two dead young men (Martin and Brown) make the planet a better place in which to live; and that I ought to be celebrating the fact that they are dead...

...disgust me a LOT more than the young men and what you perceive to be their faults.

Perhaps fewer people like you with that warped attitude might make
this planet a better place in which to live...than would fewer people like Martin and Brown.

Frank: He was NOT standing still. He was advancing.

The 8 BLACK witnesses AND Officer Wilson say so.

To say he MAY have been standing still is RIDICULOUS.

Yes, yes, you are relying on the secrecy of the GJ which allows you to offer contrary scenarios. But those of us who when we see a duck hear a quack and see a waddle, dont go running to report a possible bigfoot sighting.
Dont weasle your presentation. Sitting on the fence in the face of overwhelming eveidence is a pain in the ass for you AND the rest of us.

Frank Apisa wrote:

Nothing is "proved" here, David.
There are some facts...some speculation...and on your part,
some rather disturbing notions of how the world can become a better place.

Yes; every time I hear of a violent felon getting killed
by his victim, I CHEER!!!
I love to read the NRA's The Armed Citizen.
I like to see it in the movies, too.
I guess u dont. As a leftist, U cheer for the bad guy, right ?
I cheer for the good guy; I cheer for the victim, whom u hold in abhorrence (e.g., Zimmy & Wilson).

Frank Apisa wrote:

As I have noted often...I come from a family with lots of cops and other law enforcement people. I tend to side with the law enforcement people...but I also want to be fair. People like you who claim the issue is already certain; that two dead young men (Martin and Brown) make the planet a better place in which to live; and that I ought to be celebrating the fact that they are dead...

...disgust me a LOT more than the young men and what you perceive to be their faults.

Well, Frank, your "disgust" comes from
your love of evil, contrasted to MY support of GOOD.

Frank Apisa wrote:

Perhaps fewer people like you with that warped attitude might make
this planet a better place in which to live...than would fewer people like Martin and Brown.

On that, we can agree, Frank.
Indeed, it woud make the world a better place for violent felons, the darlings of your mind n heart.
U 'd dis-arm their victims, beforehand, to protect the evil predators.

Are u a satan worshiper, Frank ?

I will wait for a legal determination.

proves his perfect innocence when added to his explanation.

Frank is NOT evil...just to far to the left.

yet you and dave are almost rabidly trying to push the Wilson story as the only one that holds water.

Frank Apisa wrote:

Nothing is "proved" here, David.
There are some facts...some speculation...and on your part,
some rather disturbing notions of how the world can become a better place.

Yes; every time I hear of a violent felon getting killed
by his victim, I CHEER!!!
I love to read the NRA's The Armed Citizen.
I like to see it in the movies, too.
I guess u dont. As a leftist, U cheer for the bad guy, right ?
I cheer for the good guy; I cheer for the victim, whom u hold in abhorrence (e.g., Zimmy & Wilson).

Frank Apisa wrote:

As I have noted often...I come from a family with lots of cops and other law enforcement people. I tend to side with the law enforcement people...but I also want to be fair. People like you who claim the issue is already certain; that two dead young men (Martin and Brown) make the planet a better place in which to live; and that I ought to be celebrating the fact that they are dead...

...disgust me a LOT more than the young men and what you perceive to be their faults.

Well, Frank, your "disgust" comes from
your love of evil, contrasted to MY support of GOOD.

Frank Apisa wrote:

Perhaps fewer people like you with that warped attitude might make
this planet a better place in which to live...than would fewer people like Martin and Brown.

On that, we can agree, Frank.
Indeed, it woud make the world a better place for violent felons, the darlings of your mind n heart.
U 'd dis-arm their victims, beforehand, to protect the evil predators.

Are u a satan worshiper, Frank ?

Sounds as though you have fallen over the edge, David.

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I will wait for a legal determination.

Fair enough Frank...how about in the mean time you refrain from the speculation?

I mean after all, if your position is the above it would seem that any wild speculation is RIDICULOUS. Wouldnt you agree?

And before you ask me to refrain from comment remember...I'm convinced...you're not!

giujohn wrote:

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I will wait for a legal determination.

Fair enough Frank...how about in the mean time you refrain from the speculation?

What speculation???

I am not doing the speculating...you are. I am merely presenting possible alternatives

Frank: He was NOT standing still. He was advancing. The 8 BLACK witnesses AND Officer Wilson say so.