The Day Ferguson Cops Were Caught in a Bloody Lie

@giujohn,

giujohn wrote:

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Are you telling me that the number of shots fired are not evidence???

Calm down Frank, I never said it wasnt evidence...I was asking you how it was evidence based on standard rules of evidence...still waiting for your explanation BTW

You tell us you are a cop, John.

If this had gone to trial...don't you think there would have been question asked about how many shots were fired...and how many hit home?

That is extracting evidence for the jury to consider.

I'm calm...and not playing games.

I think you also are calm...but you seem to be playing some sort of game here.

There is absolutely no doubt that the number of shots fired; who they were fired at; who fired them; what they were fired from...are all evidence.

You know that.

And I have explained it...twice now. I, Frank Apisa, am saying that it is evidence based on the standard rules of evidences.

The tone of your original question to me appeared to indicate that you thought the number fired was not evidence.

If I am wrong...I sincerely apologize...and am delighted that we agree that it definitely is evidence.

So what is the purpose of your question?

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@Frank Apisa,

Well sure shots fired are evidence, but not enough to cause indictment. I think the rule is if a cop has to shoot he shoots to kill, and I am pretty sure the officer had to shoot and shot to kill. It sure looks like that to me. What I don't understand is why it is so outrageous for people to understand why there was not enough evidence to indict the officer, and why the town got pillaged for it.

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@Frank Apisa,

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So what is the purpose of your question?

To assess what type of evidence you think it is? Which you still havent answered.

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@giujohn,

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Which you still havent answered.

Good luck with that.

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@tony5732,

tony5732 wrote:

Well sure shots fired are evidence,

Yes they are...which is what I said.

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but not enough to cause indictment.

I also acknowledged that when I wrote, “We may disagree on what the evidence points to...and they may not be conclusive evidence in any particular direction...but they most assuredly are evidence...just as the dead body of the unarmed Brown is evidence.”

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I think the rule is if a cop has to shoot he shoots to kill, and I am pretty sure the officer had to shoot and shot to kill. It sure looks like that to me. What I don't understand is why it is so outrageous for people to understand why there was not enough evidence to indict the officer, and why the town got pillaged for it.

That was not what I was addressing…and not the subject of your question. I responded to your question.

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@giujohn,

giujohn wrote:

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So what is the purpose of your question?

To assess what type of evidence you think it is? Which you still havent answered.

It is the "evidence" type of evidence, John.

What kind do you think it is?

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@Frank Apisa,

Hey I am not against you Frank, actually I am a fan. I was just filling you in where we left off.

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@tony5732,

I understand. Truly.

I am not trying to get on your case, Tony...or on John's.

I am just answering questions...and explaining my responses when they are not completely clear.

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@tony5732,

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I think the rule is if a cop has to shoot he shoots to kill,

Everyone cops and civilians are taught to aim for the center of mass and not to try to just wound but to end the threat to yourself or others that the target happen to be as fast as possible.

It not trying to kill as it does not matter if the target is killed or not only that the threat is ended.

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@Frank Apisa,

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It is the "evidence" type of evidence, John.

It's interesting how you dont like to be pinned down.

So Frank is it exculpatory evidence or inculpatory evidence?

What is its probative value?

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@BillRM,

Ok. That brings us back to fake gun, which makes cop think it is real. Probably because the orange tip is painted for that exact purpose. If the cop sees the fake gun, than the threat really wouldn't be over until brown is dead.

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@giujohn,

giujohn wrote:

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It is the "evidence" type of evidence, John.

It's interesting how you dont like to be pinned down.

What the hell do you mean?

The question is "Is it evidence?"

The answer is YES!

It most assuredly is evidence...and most assuredly would have been introduced if there had been a trial. Absolutely.

Do you deny that?

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So Frank is it exculpatory evidence or inculpatory evidence?

It is evidence...period. It would be assessed in conjunction with the other EVIDENCE.

As I noted...it might be interpreted differently by different people...if there had been a fair trial. The members of the jury would decide the value of the evidence.

Stop playing a game.

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What is its probative value?

If the matter had gone to a trial...the judge would decide about its "probative value."

If you are asking me to make a guess as a layman...I would guess that the judge almost certainly would allow this EVIDENCE .(the number of shots fired; the person who fired them; the person at whom the shot were directed; how many hit; and the results of the hits on the person at whom they were fired)...

...to be allowed. The jury WOULD BE allowed to consider that evidence in its deliberations.

Now tell us all...what do you think the judge would do?

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@Frank Apisa,

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What the hell do you mean?

The question is "Is it evidence?"

LOL..OK Frank, I Can see you dont want to be pinned down...it must get uncomfortable sitting on the fence all the time though.

You keep asking me what I think Frank...I share my opinons with those who have the courage of their convictions to state theirs. Wink

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@giujohn,

giujohn wrote:

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What the hell do you mean?

The question is "Is it evidence?"

LOL..OK Frank, I Can see you dont want to be pinned down...it must get uncomfortable sitting on the fence all the time though.

You keep asking me what I think Frank...I share my opinons with those who have the courage of their convictions to state theirs.

I have shared mine...very specifically.

You have done nothing but sneer.

I don't blame you...it seems to be all you have.

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@Frank Apisa,

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I have shared mine...very specifically.

You have done nothing but sneer.

I SPECIFICALLY asked you if the evidence was exculpatory or inculpatory...your answer? None. You did a little dance. So maybe your definition of specifically is different from the rest of us...IDK

And "sneer"?? Can you really see me Frank? Im going to put on my bathrobe just in case.

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@giujohn,

What do those words mean?

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@tony5732,

Exculpatory evidence is evidence favorable to the defendant in a criminal trial that exonerates or tends to exonerate the defendant of guilt. It is the opposite of inculpatory evidence, which tends to prove guilt.

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@giujohn,

giujohn wrote:

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I have shared mine...very specifically.

You have done nothing but sneer.

I SPECIFICALLY asked you if the evidence was exculpatory or inculpatory...your answer? None. You did a little dance. So maybe your definition of specifically is different from the rest of us...IDK

And "sneer"?? Can you really see me Frank? Im going to put on my bathrobe just in case.

You asked the question and I answered it.

Here is my answer again:

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It is evidence...period. It would be assessed in conjunction with the other EVIDENCE.

As I noted...it might be interpreted differently by different people...if there had been a fair trial. The members of the jury would decide the value of the evidence.

Stop playing a game.

I say again: Stop playing a game.

Only a jury...taking that bit of evidence in conjunction with other evidence can decide if it is exculpatory or inculpatory...and it cannot be done without regard to other evidence. And that is what I said.

STOP PLAYING A GAME. You are not particularly good at it.

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@Frank Apisa,

http://www.gifbooster.com/wp-content/uploads/2345/troll-face-stick-figure-dances_58.gif

There ya go again...dancing around instead of answering...OK Frank, NEVER MIND

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