"Full Sovereignty for Iraq on June 30"

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Jun 28 2004 6:11PM
Moscow welcomes NATO decision to help train Iraqi army
ISTANBUL. June 28 (Interfax) - Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov spoke positively about the decision made at a NATO summit in Istanbul to contribute to training the Iraqi army. "Whatever contributes to normalizing the situation in Iraq should be welcomed," he told reporters in Istanbul on Monday. On the other hand, the actual situation in that country should be seen for what it is, he said. "Without national reconciliation of all groups inside Iraq, in particular those in opposition and acting as a political wing of the armed resistance, one cannot realistically expect efforts aimed at settling the situation in Iraq to succeed," he said.

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I don't consider that pointing to the administration's eagerness to appear disconnected from goings on in Iraq, while actually lying their bloody teeth about who is really in control (don't you just love the 'we'll turn over legal custody of Sadaam but not physical custody') in order to lessen the horrid PR damage sustained by this enterprise so as to hopefully win the next election is an instance of turning one's back on the Iraqi people.

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Its still not entirely clear what will be the substance and extent of NATO support. So far, its just words, and in and among those words is a buncha squabling over who does what and where its supposed to get done. I suspect there's gonna be a whole lot more talkin' than doin' for a while to come yet.

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Yes, a very complex dynamic indeed. It seems pretty evident that the European states would like to see Bush and administration be removed in the next election. At the same time, Iraq is now a potential powderkeg of sizeable proportions and growing moreso each day. On the other hand, Bush desperately needs to counter the argument that he has turned the rest of the world against the US, so some semblance, no matter how temporary or deceitful, of cooperative agreement has to be sent home to the electorate.

Plus, for those who actually give a **** about more than the election, there is the whole subject of which organizations and alliances ought to be tasked with what endeavors.

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At least the stock market seems to accept this news with enthusiasm - for the moment!

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I credit the stock market with precisely the same IQ as a penis.

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I've discovered one of those two, purported intelligence notwithstanding, to afford more entertainment than the other. Even if it takes drugs, you can always get another erection. The wherewithall to play with the stockmarket is a bit more arduously obtained.

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The fat's in the fire and I can see where Bush and Co. is trying to pull the whole effort up by its bootstraps after realizing the mistakes that have been made. The fickle stock market -- unless one plays it for the long run, it's still a one-armed bandit. I laugh when the "experts" pipe up with why and how the market does this and that. I can't quite buy that they know what the Hell they are talking about. In the end, most of the are journalists and I'm as sceptical of journalists as I am of politicians.

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LW, I couldn't agree more; they talk like they know of what they speak, but can never forecast even one hour into the future of how the market will react. It's always what already happened. We are all "experts" at hind site.

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An old high school/acid dropping friend of mine has been a commodities broker for thirty years or so. Every now and again he confides that he's sunk into a depression, knowing that the majority of people who hand him money will not gain from the transaction.

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He must be a (rich) masochist. Wink

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ci

He's been up and down. Good times in the eighties, though his personal investment portfolio was directed too heavily towards cocaine. He's tried establishing his own business where he would receive recompense only given profit for the investor, but I think that didn't work too well. Presently, he's doing fine with someone else's company... http://www.victoradair.com/

I see here he's doing derivatives, whatever the hell they are (please don't bother with an explanation).

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I suippose the remaining questions are--how soon and how many more additional US boots are going to be needed on the ground in Iraq and just how soon will there be martial law there.

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Are there strings attached to the turnover?

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Lightwizard wrote:

Are there strings attached to the turnover?

Are there!

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Just watch now as the administration and agents try to forward the 'we are disconnected' and 'we freed them from tyranny' lines. They'll be pouring forth with zest and vigor.

Meanwhile, the place will be going to hell (likely) such that soon, we might predict, approval ratings of Iraqis for the occupation will be cut in half - down to 1%.

The questions which we aren't likely to learn, as Bush seems like he's going to lose the election, is what would happen if Bush won the election. Pretence would fall and 'mandate' would take its place. That mandate would permit god knows what.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

At least the stock market seems to accept this news with enthusiasm - for the moment!

for the moment:

In late afternoon trading, the Dow Jones industrial average fell 14.60, or 0.1 percent, to 10,357.24.

Broader stock indicators were modestly lower. The Standard & Poor's 500 index was down 1.09, or 0.1 percent, at 1,133.34, and the Nasdaq composite index dropped 8.62, or 0.4 percent, to 2,016.85.

Overseas, Japan's Nikkei stock average climbed 0.9 percent. In afternoon trading, Britain's FTSE 100 closed up 0.6 percent, France's CAC-40 added 0.8 percent for the session and Germany's DAX index rose 1.4 percent in late trading.

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Walter, I've learned a long time ago that the swings in the stock market is 1000 percent unpredictable. All I know for sure - so far at least - is that for the long term, the stock market does better than bonds (and cash). Between our investments in stocks, bonds and our home, we've made out good enough to live comfortably. That's enough for me and the Mrs. While the stock market has struggled this year, the value of our home has increased by over ten percent. Compared to 12 months ago or 24 months ago, we're doing pretty good on all fronts. Wink

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Blissful reports as I drove to an out of town appointment.

NPR had details of the popular call in radio show in Iraq, which logs 18K calls daily about daily life and opinions in Iraq.

Today, we got to hear some great man/woman on the street reports.

The news show, which generally hears complaints about water, conditions, and concerns was met with widely popular and celebratory calls from Iraqis.

One woman happily reported for the first time in many months, her family is going together to the market. They feel more liberated now than they did when we arrived. Neighbors are outside congratulating one another and celebrating.

Many of the calls were pleas to the insurgents to give them a day of peace, and stop fighting against their country. They feel it is actually theirs now.

No terrorist activities today <so far>

It was a brilliant move to hasten the sovereignty secretly.

So far, so good.

HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY, IRAQ!!!!!

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Within minutes of the ceremony, a British soldier became the first insurgency victim of the new Iraq when a makeshift bomb exploded near Basra. In the previous 24 hours another two foreign hostages had joined three others facing beheading.

If I was Bremer I would have just faxed the papers from the airport. Get out while you still have a head in the region of your neck? Smart boy!

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