Bush Adm. met with rapture Christians re Israel action

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Religious 'zealots' or zealots of any stripe are frequently targetted here, and elsewhere. But Christian zealots get no pass, nor should they

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I don't have time to do it, but I would guess a cursory review of the active threads in the A2K political and spirituality/religion forums would find numerous scathing, as well as insulting, hurtful, and insensitive, remarks directed at Christianity and/or Christians and/or George Bush because he is perceived as being Christian.

By comparison I think that same cursory review would find conservatives slamming Islamic fundamentalism that adovcates terrorism and murder, but any criticism of Islam from the left will generally be much milder and will often be mentioned in conjunction with the 'equal' evils of Christianity and/or the greater evils of the current administration.

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What exactly are you talking about? Nobody here has made a claim such as your second paragraph implies

Look how the writer of the piece that is the thesis of this thread looks at it. And how it is supported by others from the 'left' who see something so terribly sinister in the fact that the president is a professed Christian and relate that to the most extreme examples of fundamentalist Christianity. (Which is absolutely laughable to anybody who knows anything about Methodist doctrine and/or practice.)

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Foolish post. Uncareful thinking. Not one sentence of it is true or coherent.

If the state was mainly comprised of Hindus or Scientologists, and if some radical corner of that majority faith group began pushing to lessen or cancel separation, then THEY would be criticized. In such a case, Christianity would be irrelevant in political discussions.

In George W. Bush, the church has elected a government leader after its own image. Our government and society have descended headlong into the sewage of immorality because the church has. Sodomites and baby-killers fill our government offices because they fill our pews and choir lofts. We have largely ceased to be the salt of the United States of America, and Jesus promised that we'll be cast out and trodden under the boot heels of wicked men. Judgment must first begin in the House of God. Suffering and tyranny will be our lot if we persist in our lukewarmness. There are many more September 11's coming, America. The II Chronicles 7:14 remedy for national forgiveness and healing includes that we "turn from (our) wicked ways." If the American church doesn't repent for tolerating sin and leaving our first love, then the Lord will remove our candlestick. However, if we repent of our tolerance of sin and judge ourselves, if we put impenitent sinners out of the church as I Corinthians 5 instructs, the Lord promises that we will not be judged. If we pray in faith for godly leaders and act in accordance, then the Lord, who sets up and tears down kings, might restore the Republic. The future of our nation and our liberties depends on our obedience to His law and will....

It's time that Christians make the same vow: never again will we use our influence or our vote or a single red cent to encourage one drop of innocent bloodshed. We will draw a line in the sand far enough to the right that no baby-killers, sodomites, or God-haters can win our allegiance. Like Gideon's Army, the Lord may dwindle us down to a zealous few before the victorious battle, but it will be a few out of whom God can get some glory.

As for me and my house, we will support and vote for a Presidential candidate that is pro-life without exceptions, who will not capitulate to the militant sodomites, and who will constrain themselves to the Constitution upon which our nation was founded.

Falwell said, "What we saw on Tuesday, as terrible as it is, could be miniscule if, in fact, God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve."
Robertson replied, "Well, Jerry, that's my feeling. I think we've just seen the antechamber to terror, we haven't begun to see what they can do to the major population."
Falwell said, "The ACLU has got to take a lot of blame for this. And I know I'll hear from them for this, but throwing God...successfully with the help of the federal court system...throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools, the abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked and when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad...I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who try to secularize America...I point the thing in their face and say you helped this happen."
Robertson said, "I totally concur, and the problem is we've adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government, and so we're responsible as a free society for what the top people do, and the top people, of course, is the court system."

And there is no evidence of any kind that George Bush or any of his administration have proposed or advocated lessening or canceling separation. There are a few fringe Christian groups who possibly might advocate that and there are a huge chunk of mainstream Christians who are determined not to allow the anti-religious to be the sole voice defining what separation means.

That Blatham uses Falwell and Robertson as examples of mainstream Christianity strongly reinforces everything I've posted in this thread.

nd Blatham, I respectfully disagree. I don't think any aspect of the Church, left, right, moderate, extremist, or nutso, controls the Republican party or is attempting to control the Republican party.

What seems to escape the extreme left is that Christians are people too. And they have as much right to speak out and be advocates for their values and how they wish for America to look as do
the athiests and anti-Christian groups. None of the various groups lobbying for their point of view to be heard see themselves as coercive in matters of law and national policy.