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Mon 17 May, 2004 09:12 am
I'm fascinated to continually read responses on this and other forums, as well as in the media from conservatives, who say "Bush can't be blamed for that."
When the subject is the economy, conservatives say, "Don't blame Bush."
When the subject is the loss of 2.8 million jobs, conservatives say, "It's not Bush's fault."
When the subject is the addition of 1.7 Americans to the ranks of poverty since 2001, conservatives say, "Bush isn't to blame."
When the subject is the faked and forged intelligence that was used to justify the Iraq war, conservatives say, "You can't point to Bush on that."
When the subject is the $520 billion dollar deficit, conservatives say, "Bush had nothing to do with the deficit."
When it comes to the financial burden on states of unfunded Federal mandates, conservatives say, "It has nothing to do with Bush."
When it comes to the Abu Ghraib prison scandal, conservatives say, "Bush had no idea this was taking place."
You get the idea.
So, I'm just curious, is Bush responsible for anything?
After all, I thought he had the keys to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and occupied the office of the President, but maybe I'm wrong.
Sure he is not responsible. Courts do not hold people with mental deficiencies responsible or guilty.
And of course there's the converse (or is that the REverse) tactic taken by the lefties, that blames George Bush for everything from unemployment to burned out light bulbs. I don't think the President can be blamed for absolutely everything just because he was in office when it happened. And I also don't believe he should remain blameless for everything.
Laws (including unfunded federal mandates) are made by Congress, not the President, although he does have to sign a bill before it becomes law. The economy is affected by all kinds of different factors and is not totally controlled by Presidential actions. And the same goes for unemployment. Intelligence comes from intelligence agencies, not from the Office of the President. The actions of a dozen soldiers among 200,000 are probably not known by, authorized by, or ordered by the President.
As a general rule, I think if a President knows that something bad was about to happen and does nothing, he is to blame, or if he authorizes an action and it is blatantly and obviously wrong or illegal, then he is to blame. But it's not realistic to blame him for everything.
George W. Bush, responsible for anything? Why begin a new lifestyle change at this point in life?
People can't be held responsible for something they know nothing about. Like governing the country.
Or posting something that actually addresses the topic, apparently.
Lighten up, Tarantulas. It was a joke.
"People can't be held responsible for something they know nothing about. Like governing the country." Lightwizard

Oh, so that's what Bush is doing the 47% of the time he's actually in residence.
I didn't know.
Yes, it does depend on what the joke is.
Lightwizard:
Imagine the havoc Bush could wreck if he were actually on the job 70% or 80% of the time!
That God for the ranch and Camp David!
Gawd, please send him back to the ranch.
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Ducking responsibility is the official policy of this administration. It's happening again re abuse of Iraqi prisoners. Only this time, the media are finally doing their jobs. They're finding evidence that points right at Tarantulas' avatar...
The past few days, the most action I've seen from Bush is walking across the White House lawn.
"People can't be held responsible for something they know nothing about. Like governing the country." Lightwizard This is great! It sound like something Mark Russell would say.
Is it not cowardly to have privates and corporals take the rap for executing your own policy? Is Bush so desperate? How sad. Bush claims to be outraged at the abuses at Abu Ghraib. Is this true or was he simply outraged that the pictures slipped out to the press? Does this man have any shame at all?
I didn't borrow the line but I do watch Mark Russell. His last show was superb.
Just the fact that it immediately enticed a facile remark in return is gratifying.
Ducking responsibility, as well as the Washington Press Corp, before jetting off to the ranch, seems to be Bush's main talent. I guess he thinks he can keep the siezures out of the press this way, while the heavy lifting is done by Cheney.
we once had an honorable minister here in my country. He was the minister of interrior, and one day it was discovered that there was a high level corruption. High police officials were in cahoots with drug traffickers, running heroin originating from the Bekaa valley into europe, with turkey as a transit point, this was all the way back in the 80's. The guy took full responsibility, saying that it happened on his watch and he was responsible. He stayed in office for about 3 mpnths, made sure that the whole affair was investigated throughly, and the guilty found. Then he resigned from the ministry and also from the parliament, ensuring that his immunity would be lifted. There were people left and right trying to implicate him and he went to court god knows how many times, he was acquitted of all the implications. Poor guy didn't live long though. Seems that the drugs were being run in a very very complicated scheme, with the CIA and our own intelligence, along with NATO, it was done to finance CIA and natos operation stay behind teams, the guy was assasinated in 1985.
That is a responsible politician, and as for bush being responsible, well the real question should have been is he relevant? Why should he be responsible, its not like hes running the country, dickey and rummy are.
yilmaz:
The CIA/drug connection is well known in this country too.
Although some on the right vigorously deny it, there have been too many people come forward who were involved in the trafficking of illegal drugs while the CIA either aided, or simply looked on with a nod and a wink.
The recent case in point that's garnered almost no coverage in the American press is the current situation in Afghanistan. After our troops ridded the country of the Taliban, Bush drawled something about ending the poppy/opium production (the world's largest after Mexico.)
Well what do you know? Two years on and poppy/opium production is at record levels. Even exceeding those levels during the time of the Taliban! Even more curious, the opium farmers suddenly have modern farming equipment -- no more mulls pulling sticks, but gasoline powered tractors.
All under the watchful eyes of the US military and the CIA.
Any ideas where the profits might be going????
Living in the United States, and being of voting age makes you responsible for Bush and his actions. Even more important, tracing drug money back to the CIA and the US government is difficult to do; the invisible and non-existent line drawn between the War on Terror and the War on Drugs has been drawn down the center of his policy and the worlds train of thought.