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Newsweek: "Roots of Torture Go to the Top"

 
 
pistoff
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2004 05:38 pm
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Rumsfailed stated that the Geneva Convention rules are not clear.They look damn clear to me!

Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War


Article 3
In the case of armed conflict not of an international character occurring in the territory of one of the High Contracting Parties, each Party to the conflict shall be bound to apply, as a minimum, the following provisions:

1. Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria.

To this end, the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons:

(a) Violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture;

(b) Taking of hostages;

(c) Outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment;

(d) The passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgment pronounced by a regularly constituted court, affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples.

http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/92.htm
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2004 05:45 pm
Through Rummy's jaded eyes, nothing is traditional unless it suits his purpose.
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pistoff
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2004 06:16 pm
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"'If the Iraqis don't treat our prisoner soldiers properly (with Geneva Convention rules) it will be a War Crime and will track them down and hold them accountable." GW Bush

Will anyone ever hold BushCo accountable?
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Boy Genius
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2004 06:33 pm
This is worse than Viet Nam - I believe that not only were the methods approved of, they were sanctioned from the non-elected President to the lowest rung on the enlistment ladder.

Bush will never be held accountable, he's got every religious whacko in America standing behind him, his claims that God gives him direction make me question if the guy has got some serious mental problems.

Glad I don't have to live under his dictatorship.
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pistoff
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2004 07:01 pm
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PRISONER ABUSE: PATTERNS FROM THE PAST (#34797)
by Editor on May 12, 2004 at 6:45 PM
National Security Archive Update, May 12, 2004

For more information:
Thomas Blanton - 202/994-7000
Peter Kornbluh - 202/994-7116

http://www.nsarchive.org

Washington D.C. May 12, 2004: CIA interrogation manuals written in the 1960s and 1980s described "coercive techniques" such as those used to mistreat detainees at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, according to the declassified documents posted today by the National Security Archive. The Archive also posted a secret 1992 report written for then Secretary of Defense Richard Cheney warning that U.S. Army intelligence manuals that incorporated the earlier work of the CIA for training Latin American military officers in interrogation and counterintelligence techniques contained "offensive and objectionable material" that "undermines U.S. credibility, and could result in significant embarrassment."

The two CIA manuals, "Human Resource Exploitation Training Manual-1983" and "KUBARK Counterintelligence Interrogation-July 1963," were originally obtained under the Freedom of Information Act by the Baltimore Sun in 1997. The KUBARK manual includes a detailed section on "The Coercive Counterintelligence Interrogation of Resistant Sources," with concrete assessments on employing "Threats and Fear," "Pain," and "Debility." The language of the 1983 "Exploitation" manual drew heavily on the language of the earlier manual, as well as on Army Intelligence field manuals from the mid 1960s generated by "Project X"--a military effort to create training guides drawn from counterinsurgency experience in Vietnam.

Recommendations on prisoner interrogation included the threat of violence and deprivation and noted that no threat should be made unless the questioner "has approval to carry out the threat." The interrogator "is able to manipulate the subject's environment," the 1983 manual states, "to create unpleasant or intolerable situation, to disrupt patterns of time, space, and sensory perception."

After Congress began investigating reports of Central American atrocities in the mid 1980s, particularly in Honduras, the CIA's "Human Resource Exploitation" manual was hand edited to alter passages that appeared to advocate coercion and stress techniques to be used on prisoners. CIA officials attached a new prologue page on the manual stating: "The use of force, mental torture, threats, insults or exposure to inhumane treatment of any kind as an aid to interrogation is prohibited by law, both international and domestic; it is neither authorized nor condoned"--making it clear that authorities were well aware these abusive practices were illegal and immoral, even as they continued then and now.

Indeed, similar material had already been incorporated into seven Spanish-language training guides. More than a thousand copies of these manuals were distributed for use in countries such as El Salvador, Guatemala, Ecuador and Peru, and at the School of the Americas between 1987 and 1991. An inquiry was triggered in mid 1991 when the Southern Command evaluated the manuals for use in expanding military support programs in Colombia.

In March 1992 Cheney received an investigative report on "Improper Material in Spanish-Language Intelligence Training Manuals." Classified SECRET, the report noted that five of the seven manuals "contained language and statements in violation of legal, regulatory or policy prohibitions" and recommended they be recalled. The memo is stamped: "SECDEF HAS SEEN."

The Archive also posted a declassified memorandum of conversation with a Southern Command officer, Major Victor Tise, who was responsible for assembling the Latin American manuals at School of the Americas for counterintelligence training in 1982. Tise stated that the manuals had been forwarded to DOD headquarters for clearance "and came back approved but UNCHANGED." (Emphasis in original)

Follow the link below to view the documents:

http://www.nsarchive.org
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Deecups36
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2004 07:34 pm
hi Boy Genius- Yes, you are lucky. Send thoughts and prayers to your neighbors to the south who voted with the majority and want no part of either Bush or Cheney.
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infowarrior
 
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Reply Tue 18 May, 2004 02:30 pm
CIA interrogation manuals written in the 1960s and 1980s described "coercive techniques" such as those used to mistreat detainees at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, according to the declassified documents posted today by the National Security Archive.

Right up Rumsfeld's alley.
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au1929
 
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Reply Tue 18 May, 2004 02:47 pm
SECRETARY RUMSFELD BRIEFS AMERICA'S FREEDOMĀ®-CRUSADERS ON KINDER, GENTLER NEW GUIDELINES FOR INTERROGATING MAYBE-TERRORIST ISLAMIAC TRASH
Policy Statement by the Secretary of Defense
Abu Ghraib Prison, Iraq SECRETARY RUMSFELD: Good afternoon, troops. I'd like to say I'm pleased to be back here at Abu Ghraib, but I'm not. As you know, a handful of rogue soldiers at this facility, led by a nefarious Lou Diamond Phillips impersonator, demonstrated appalling indiscretion by photographing a highly sophisticated and effective system for sexual humiliation – which they obviously dreamt up entirely on their own, with zero knowledge of or tacit approval by anyone important enough to not be cannon fodder. And so today, with the entire world whipped into a frenzy of righteous indignation, President Bush has personally directed yours truly to fly here to this godforsaken desert armpit to hand-deliver all-new, kinder, gentler guidelines for the non-torture of maybe-probably-terrorist trash. You all stand hereby directed to learn it, live it, and love it. Thank you.

See link for specific instructions
http://www.whitehouse.org/news/2004/051504.asp
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pistoff
 
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Reply Tue 18 May, 2004 03:32 pm
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New order!

Anyone caught with digital camera or video camera that is not authorized to possess such weapon of WMD, will be summarily executed.
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