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Glenn Beck: ‘Liberals, You Were Right,’ We Should Never Have Gone into Iraq

 
 
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jun, 2014 11:19 pm
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/06/rand-paul-says-i-dont-blame-obama-for-iraq-crisis/


Rand Paul Says ‘I Don’t Blame’ Obama for Iraq Crisis

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Jun 20, 2014 5:16pm

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ABC’s Shushannah Walshe and Benjamin Siegel report:

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky took opposite views of the crisis in Iraq today, with Christie blaming it on President Obama’s foreign policy while Paul said he doesn’t put the “blame on President Obama.”

The two Republicans spoke before the Faith and Freedom Coalition conference, made up of Christian conservatives, while Paul also talked about Iraq with NBC’s Meet the Press.

Both men addressed the situation in Iraq where the American trained army collapsed in the face of an offensive by ISIS, the radical offshoot of al Qaeda, and Sunni tribes angry at the government of President Nouri al-Maliki.

In his first time addressing the evangelical group, Christie said leadership abroad requires “making sure our friends know who our friends are, and that our adversaries know who they are as well.”

“Leadership is about telling who you are and what you stand for, and then speaking it directly, loudly, and understandably so that not only your supporters know who you are, but the people who are against you know who you are, too, and have respect for where you stand.”

Although the Christian conservative crowd is far from what is considered Christie’s base of support, the group greeted him warmly with many giving him a standing ovation, and interrupting him at points with applause.

In his critique of Obama, the governor briefly mentioned the crisis in Iraq when he said the “pulling back of American influence…is having catastrophic affects in every corner of the world.”

“That is not anything more than the failure of the American leader to speak clearly, profoundly and inspirationally about America’s role in the world,” he said.

Paul, who spoke before Christie, criticized the president on the ongoing strife in Syria and how it may have contributed to the current crisis in Iraq, but in his interview with NBC’s Meet the Press ahead of their show on Sunday, Paul made it clear he stands in stark contrast to Christie and other more hawkish members of the GOP on whose to blame for the crisis in Iraq.

“And what’s going on now, I don’t blame on President Obama,” Paul said. “Has he really got the solution? Maybe there is no solution. But I do blame the Iraq war on the chaos that is in the Middle East. I also blame those who are for the Iraq war for emboldening Iran. These are the same people now who are petrified of what Iran may become, and I understand some of their worry.”

In speaking before the Faith and Freedom Coalition, Paul urged members of his own party to be cautious when it comes to becoming engaged in overseas conflict.

“Reagan spoke often of peace through strength, but I fear that some in our nation and some in our party have forgotten the first part of the sentence, that peace should be our goal, even as we build our strength,” Paul said at the “Road to Majority” conference. “Some in my party have distorted this [Reagan's] belief in peace through strength into a misguided belief that we should project strength through war. Even when we’ve tried, through good intentions, to make the world a better place, our actions have often backfired.”
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jun, 2014 11:21 pm
@JTT,
I'm all for it. How do you get the ball rolling?
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jun, 2014 11:26 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
I didn't hear anyone say Beck was right about the Caliphate.


Because he is full of **** about that. How is there going to be a caliphate if all the parties and factions can't agree on anything ever?
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jun, 2014 11:33 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
Why can't progressives ever tell the whole truth?
Thay r not progressing in that direction.
Thay prefer to progress in the direction
that the Weimar Republic did, into repression.

Liberalism means veering away from the Liberty of the Constitution.
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coldjoint
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jun, 2014 11:36 pm
@bobsal u1553115,


Quote:
Because he is full of **** about that. How is there going to be a caliphate if all the parties and factions can't agree on anything ever?

The ones with the biggest gun will win and it looks like it will be the ones who want a Caliphate. And the two factions do agree on killing us and other Western countries.
JTT
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jun, 2014 05:09 am
@coldjoint,
Wrong yet again.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jun, 2014 05:10 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Not sure, Bob. Talk it up a lot. Put pressure on news media to do same. New ground here.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jun, 2014 10:06 am
@coldjoint,
1.7billion Christians and LDS is the fasted growing religion in the world, 1.3billion Islam.

There's going to be Caliphate? How? In your mind every Muslim is in the **** and in it for himself. Explain how they unify for a Caliphate? The last Caliphate was a 1000 years ago and they killed the Prophet's nephew. If the goddam west and the US in particular stopped arming everyone to ******* teeth, things would be a lot netter.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jun, 2014 11:40 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
Explain how they unify for a Caliphate? The last Caliphate was a 1000 years ago


You should learn a little more about Islam before you rattle your lips.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7b/Flag_of_the_Ottoman_Caliphate_%281844%E2%80%931923%29.svg/120px-Flag_of_the_Ottoman_Caliphate_%281844%E2%80%931923%29.svg.png
Quote:
Flag of the Caliphate (1844–1923)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Caliphate

Check your math.
Next, do you know what the "ummah" is?

Quote:
ummah(Noun)

The worldwide Muslim community.


And if you look to the Islamic scriptures the ummah is also one mind, and that mind is Mohammeds. Which in itself is scary. So the uniting is a religious obligation and any one who practices Islam is in whether they like it or not.

And if you wish to blame the US for arming everyone look at your history again and you will that Europe and its wars drew the US in to the mess in the first place. Since WW2 and the nuclear bomb the US has been securing its interests in a treacherous world just like every other world power that came out of that mess.

Islam will do what they do because of religious obligation. And it is violent and it is meant to be. It was going on long before the US. And will not stop until it is stopped.
Romeo Fabulini
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jun, 2014 12:21 pm
Oil industry experts predict oil will run out "sometime this century", that's America and the West's worst nightmare because it means they'll have nothing to make their tanks, warplanes and warships go, and will be plunged back into fighting with clubs and sharp sticks, right General?

"Ugh"..
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/PoorOldSpike/Caveman_club_zps3b49e1a4.jpg~original

So our governments have become obsessed with getting their hands on every last drop of oil in places like Iraq and Afgh, to put off D-Day (Dry-day) as long as possible, that's the one and only reason why Western troops are there
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jun, 2014 06:09 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
If the goddam west and the US in particular stopped arming everyone to ******* teeth, things would be a lot netter.


Netter? But I agree with your statement. Oh man, i've become a cj clone jumping someone about spelling.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Sun 22 Jun, 2014 08:15 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
i've become a cj clone jumping someone about spelling.


I learned that from my progressive friends. They mean it to be annoying, and for some posters, so do I.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jun, 2014 12:58 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Quote:
i've become a cj clone jumping someone about spelling.


I learned that from my progressive friends.
Progressing toward WHAT????????
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jun, 2014 07:04 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Progressing toward WHAT????????


Totalitarianism
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jun, 2014 08:01 am
@coldjoint,
You're an idiot. That was a 'potemkin' Caliphate. What small percentage of Muslims were covered by your Caliphate, asshole?
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jun, 2014 08:03 am
@RABEL222,
coldjoint's willful stupidity pisses me off.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jun, 2014 08:05 am
War Criminal Dick Cheney Gets Fact-Checked On Obama Smear: Surprise Cheney is LYING AGAIN!

Posted by: K.L Nelson in Most Popular on AATTP, TEApublicans in Action June 22, 2014

Surprise, surprise, the Republicans are once again attacking President Obama. This time it’s former Vice President Dick Cheney whose accusations have been getting louder and louder – but obviously no more truthful than his GOP cronies. During a recent interview with Fox News, Cheney made some claims against the President that can easily be refuted by anyone willing to do their homework.

Cheney and his daughter Liz appeared on Fox News following the release of on opinion piece published in the Wall Street Journal criticizing President Obama’s actions in the Middle East. Borrowing from Winston Churchill (which I’m sure made them feel very clever) they said:

“Rarely has a U.S. president been so wrong about so much at the expense of so many.”

Cheney blames the President for the current unrest in Iraq, saying that it was a mistake not to leave a security force there to help maintain order. He also accused Obama of ignoring the continuing threat that al Qaeda posses to this country.

“Barack Obama has stated repeatedly that the terrorist threat is gone, we got bin Laden. That’s clearly not the case. That’s not the truth.”

Reviewing the President’s public speeches and statements, an independent fact checking group could not find any instance of Obama saying anything to support Cheney’s claim. In fact, it was just the opposite.

“We found no evidence of Obama saying the threat of terrorism is ‘gone’ – let alone ‘repeatedly’ saying it. In fact, in his speech announcing the killing of Osama bin Laden, Obama warned that the U.S. needs to ‘remain vigilant’ because ‘al Qaeda will continue to pursue attacks against us.’”

I find it very difficult to believe that Cheney did not hear that particular speech or any of the six speeches referenced by the group in which President Obama discusses the potential and continuing threat of terrorism. The truth is a matter of public record, but it’s obvious that the truth is not something Cheney (or his daughter) is interested in.

It should be noted that when talking about terrorism, Obama has used many of the same phrases – that al Qaeda was “on the run” or “on their heels” – used by Cheney and President George W. Bush when they were in office. Just something to think about.



h/t: Huffington Post

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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jun, 2014 08:20 am
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ISIS Leader Was Released By George W. Bush!

Posted by: News Corpse in Fox News Lies, Most Popular on AATTP, TEApublicans in Action June 20, 2014
ISIS Leader, Baghdadi, Was Released By Bush, Not Obama
Posted by Mark NC on June 20, 2014 at 10:48 am. 16 Comments :

In yet another example of journalistic malpractice, the folks at Fox News broadcast a number of reports that got the most significant facts completely wrong. In order to do so, they relied on the assertions of a single, uncorroborated account, and failed to do the most basic follow-up with the people in a position to know.

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The latest lie-riddled reporting on Fox concerned the circumstances of the capture and release of Abu Bakr al Baghdadi, the leader of the terrorist group, Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS). Fox and other conservative media outlets are endeavoring to place the responsibility for Baghdadi’s brutal march through Iraq on President Obama. Representative commentaries include these by Fox hosts Jeanine Pirro and Megyn Kelly:

Pirro: The head of this band of savages is a man by the name of Abu al-Baghdadi. The new Osama Bin Laden. A man released by Obama in 2009, who started ISIS a year later.

Kelly: We are also learning more about the leader of the terror group, a man described as the new Bin Laden, the heir to Bin Laden. It turns out he had been in U.S. custody until 2009, over in Iraq, when he was then turned over to the Iraqi government as part of our troop drawdown. And then he was released.

On Pirro’s Saturday program she led into the subject with a mouth-foaming harangue about Obama’s “feckless” leadership and socialist designs on America. On Kelly’s primetime program she interviewed Col. Kenneth King who claimed to have been present when Baghdadi was transferred from the custody of U.S. forces to the Iraqis, who later allegedly released him to go on to form ISIS. However, an investigation by PolitiFact uncovered a very different story, confirmed by the Defense Department, and branding the Fox report as “false.”

“Ibrahim Awad Ibrahim Al Badry, also known as ‘Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi’ was held as a ‘civilian internee’ by U.S. Forces-Iraq from early February 2004 until early December 2004, when he was released,” the Pentagon said in a statement. “He was held at Camp Bucca. A Combined Review and Release Board recommended ‘unconditional release’ of this detainee and he was released from U.S. custody shortly thereafter. We have no record of him being held at any other time.”

Since the right-wing is so intent on assigning blame for Baghdadi’s campaign of terror on the president who was in office when he was set free, then according to their logic it is all Bush’s fault. But don’t expect Fox News to report the facts as laid out by actual journalists. They won’t even report the comments of their own witness, Col. King, who appeared on another network (ABC) and admitted that he “could be mistaken.” It turns out that he never knew the name of the man he presumed to be Baghdadi, he just thought there was a resemblance to the man he encountered. Nor will they report Col. King’s remarks to the Daily Beast where he downplayed the threat posed by Baghdadi, saying that “He was a bad dude, but he wasn’t the worst of the worst.”

PolitiFact went on to note that, even if Col. King’s account were correct, and Baghdadi was still in custody in 2009, Obama still could not be held to blame for Baghdadi’s release. The terms of the Status of Forces Agreement with Iraq required the U.S. to turn over all prisoners to the custody of Iraq’s criminal system. That agreement was negotiated and agreed to by the Bush administration in 2008.

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So virtually everything reported by Fox News was wrong. And, not surprisingly, all of the misinformation leaned toward blaming President Obama for the mistakes of President Bush. It’a pattern that is all too familiar. Now that the truth has been revealed and confirmed, we can expect Fox to issue a correction at the earliest opportunity. And if you believe that you are probably already a dimwitted, gullible disciple of the Fox Disinformation Society.

coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jun, 2014 11:12 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
coldjoint's willful stupidity pisses me off.


I am a little upset too. You know nothing about Islam but the liberal progressive whitewash. You refuse to acknowledge the religion/ideology inspires and condones murder and terror. And is the root of the problem, not what Bush or anyone else did.

If you ever learn anything besides how to be an uninformed crybaby I will be surprised.
coldjoint
 
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Reply Mon 23 Jun, 2014 11:17 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
Truth
June 22, 2014 at 10:01 am

I guess NBC is lying too? Fox and NBC both reporting 2009….looks like this site is lying.


http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/iraq-turmoil/secret-life-isis-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-n132311

That from your own link.

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