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WBYeats
 
Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2014 11:10 pm
Are these grammatical and natural English?:

-I don't know as well. (=I don't know either)
-I don't know also. (=I don't know either)
-I don't know too. (=I don't know either)

For the third, I think EITHER is more usual, but TOO is not wrong, though less common; do you agree?
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contrex
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jun, 2014 03:13 am
The two words not ... either form a 'construction' which can be used when something is not the case and you wish to indicate that something else is not the case.

Peter: I don't know why the sky is blue
John: I don't [=do not] know either.

I don't know as well. - not used
I don't know too - not used.

You can signify an agreement of a negative thing with 'too' by putting it first:

Peter: I don't know why the sky is blue
John: I, too, don't know.


WBYeats
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jun, 2014 10:52 am
@contrex,
Thank you~

But is this admissible?:

--I don't know also. (=I don't know either)
contrex
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jun, 2014 12:06 pm
@WBYeats,
WBYeats wrote:

--I don't know also. (=I don't know either)


No.

When using the fixed construction 'not... verb... either', the word 'not' goes before the verb, and 'either' goes after the verb.

John does not know the time. Peter does not know either.
Mary cannot swim. Jane cannot either.
My father does not know where his hat is. I do not either.

Or you can use 'neither' and a verb following.

John does not know the time. Neither does Peter.
Mary cannot swim. Neither can Jane.
My father does not know where his hat is. Neither do I.

But when using 'too', and 'also', these go before the verb.

This is less usual.

John does not know the time. Peter, too/also, does not know.
Mary cannot swim. Jane. too/also cannot.
My father does not know where his hat is. I too/also do not.

WBYeats
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jun, 2014 02:11 am
@contrex,
Thank you~
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jun, 2014 11:22 am
@contrex,

Quote:
Peter: I don't know why the sky is blue
John: I, too, don't know.


Me neither.
contrex
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jun, 2014 11:50 am
@McTag,
McTag wrote:


Quote:
Peter: I don't know why the sky is blue
John: I, too, don't know.


Me neither.

Sunlight (of all colours) is scattered by air molecules; blue is scattered more because of its shorter wavelength. I learned this when I was 7, courtesy of Arthur Mee's Children's Encyclopaedia (1909 edition) which I had found at a school jumble sale.

McTag
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jun, 2014 12:49 pm
@contrex,

I knew that (I think). I was just introducing the commonly-heard, if slightly ungrammatical, expression.
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WBYeats
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jun, 2014 04:52 am
I think negative adjectives could be used with EITHER, though more common with TOO; do you agree?:

-This theory is impossible either.
-I am uninterested in this either.

Though TOO is possible.
contrex
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jun, 2014 09:45 am
@WBYeats,
WBYeats wrote:

I think negative adjectives could be used with EITHER, though more common with TOO; do you agree?:

-This theory is impossible either.
-I am uninterested in this either.

Though TOO is possible.

You cannot use 'either' like this. We use 'either' after 'not' e.g. John is not here either.

You can use 'too' or 'also' after words like impossible and uninterested.
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contrex
 
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Reply Wed 18 Jun, 2014 11:22 am
To clarify, to express that a negative quality or state is held by anther person or thing, we can use 'not ... (positive adjective)... 'either', like this:

John is not brave either.
My car is not reliable either.
You are not wise either.

But if we use adjectives of the 'un-'. 'in-', im-' etc type to express the same idea, we use also, too, as well, etc, just as if the adjective was a praising one.

John is uncourageous also.
My car is unreliable too.
You are unwise as well.
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WBYeats
 
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Reply Thu 19 Jun, 2014 01:01 am
Thank you~
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