Rumsfeld Supports, Backs Iraq Interrogation Methods

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Once when I told my first, and only physically abusive, husband that he was hurting me, he replied, "I can't feel it." There you have it, Rumsfeld, Bush, et al can not feel it; not the pain, not the fear, not the humiliation, none of it , totally asensitive, and perhaps amoral too.

Sam

Sam:

I hope he is no longer your husband.

That sort of behavior is never acceptable in a relationship. You're worth more than that.

I think your characterization of these neocon thugs is as good a one as I've ever heard. They are evil, and completely amoral.

Is it not curious that those who believe the Geneva Convention does not apply to their treatment of foreign prisoners object so loudly when their own citizens are accorded identical courtesies by their enemies?

It's the American way, John.

It's the American way.

Do you honestly not know the difference?

I had thought that much of what you do here is an act to be controversial, but if you actually don't know the difference...

That foolish senator from Oklahoma (Inhofe, I think the name is) said yesterday that the real outrage is how outraged people are about the mistreatment. He thinks the prisoners, who he claims are all terrorists anyhow, somehow deserved it.

Hey, infowarrior, you live in Fremont? I live on Capitol Hill...

Those who make and enforce the laws are above those laws? False on paper, true in practice.



Sam

D'artagnan:

Cool. Seattle is a great town. I have friends on Capital Hill and First Hill.

How about the Mariners? They suck this year.

McG

Please be so kind as to point out those differences and give examples.

Sam

infowarrior: Too true re the Mariners. I root for the Braves, but they suck this year, too...

This should have been clear to everyone when the Guantanemo detainees were renamed 'enemy combatants'.

'Prisoners of war' have rights delineated in the Geneva accords. 'Enemy combatants' do not.

It's been SOP for this administration to simply change the terminology when it doesn't suit their aim, to throw out treaties they have no intention of adhering to, to discard global peace organizations that don't toe the line, and to otherwise act as if no law applies to them.

Good point, pdiddie. One of the things that I found curious during yesterday's testimony, I forget by whom, that most of those considered POWs were no longer in that prison. What I wondered, has happened to them?

D'artagnan:

I tried to get tickets for the Mariner/Yankees games this past weekend but they were so sold out.

Even the scalpers were begging! LOL!!!

Everyone has a choice in what they do. If you choose to be a coward who uses ambush techniques while hidding amongst civilians dressed as a civilian putting civilians at risk then you must be prepared for the consequences.

PDiddie and others will have you believe that the people in Guantanamo are all innocent civilians who have never been put through any sort of process and have never even picked up a gun, much less actually attacked any US military members.

The law is written for reasons. Soldiers are protected by the Geneva Convention. Guerilla fighters are not. That is to discourage people from using guerilla tactics during times of war.

So many people here pretend that US is somehow stooping to the same level as the terrorists and that is simply not true. If it were we would be much more devastating and destructive. we would have shoot on sight orders and have declared martial law in Iraq. If we were interested in Iraqi oil, we would simply cordone off those area and put them under strict military law. BUT, we haven't done any of this because that is not the way the US does things.

Would we really be having these investigations into the incidents at Abu Ghraib if we didn't care?

Yeppir.

Rumsfeld is one sick MF.

Yes, and the most frightening thing is that seven out of ten Americans polled don't want Rumsfeld to resign!

I recall reading of those 'stress positions' in the Gulag Archepalago. What kind of society turns out sadists like that? It must be a Russian thing, says I.

It's a traveshamockery.