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WBYeats
 
Reply Sat 24 May, 2014 10:55 am
In a room, Sherlock Holmes is referring to a German agent on the sofa:
-The fact is, Watson, that this gentleman upon the sofa was a bit too good for our people. He was in a class by himself. Things were going wrong, and no one could understand why they were going wrong.
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Do you think TOO GOOD here has a sarcastic meaning? Is it correct to say that he is saying that this German's affairs have gone wrong, so it is good for English/British people?
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glitterbag
 
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Reply Sat 24 May, 2014 11:42 am
@WBYeats,
I'm not sure if I know the story you are referring to, but I believe he is speaking about a person who betrayed his native England, and has thus far escaped suspicion. This individual had access to state secrets, but was spying for Germany. The brilliant detective had discovered the spy, and was beginning to reveal to Watson the enormity of betrayal committed by the traitor.

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dalehileman
 
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Reply Sat 24 May, 2014 12:06 pm
@WBYeats,
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Do you think TOO GOOD here has a sarcastic meaning?
Yes, probably, WB. However as suggested above by Glit, to be sure one would have to read the story
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contrex
 
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Reply Sat 24 May, 2014 12:28 pm
Von Bork, the man on the sofa, was a German agent who operated a network of spies, and who was too good (clever) for the British counter-intelligence agencies (our people), who were unable to discover his identity, but not too clever for Holmes.
glitterbag
 
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Reply Sat 24 May, 2014 12:51 pm
@contrex,
No villain escaped when Holmes was on the case. My favorite Holmes series is still the version with Jeremy Britt as Holmes. Although I am fascinated with "Elementary" which I expected to hate. It's a gussied up modern version, but I think very well done.
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WBYeats
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 11:36 am
Thank you~ especially Contrex~
dalehileman
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 11:41 am
@WBYeats,
Yea WB, the fella amazes me
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McTag
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 04:09 pm
@WBYeats,

Quote:
Do you think TOO GOOD here has a sarcastic meaning?


No. It's to be taken literally.
"...a bit too good for.." means "a bit better than".
glitterbag
 
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Reply Sun 25 May, 2014 06:34 pm
@McTag,
I hate to nitpick, but it appears to me that Holmes is saying the German believes he is superior to the English. Ergo 'too good'.
WBYeats
 
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Reply Mon 26 May, 2014 12:21 am
Thank you~
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contrex
 
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Reply Mon 26 May, 2014 12:41 am
@glitterbag,
glitterbag wrote:

I hate to nitpick, but it appears to me that Holmes is saying the German believes he is superior to the English. Ergo 'too good'.

You are picking a non-existent nit, or rather mis-interpreting what Doyle made Holmes say. Used sarcastically, 'too good or 'thinks he is too good', can imply snobbish imagined superiority, however Holmes is clearly saying that Von Bork was too good at evading detection for the British to catch him. He did not 'think he was too good' for them.

The expression 'too good for' is very common, certainly in UK and British Commonwealth English, to mean 'too capable/cunning/fast/strong [etc]', in adversarial or competitive contexts, especially in sport.

South African cricket captain speaking of Virat Kohli, star player of the India team which roundly beat South Africa: "He was fantastic. We all know how good Virat is and he was the real danger. He paced his innings well and played some good shots. He was too good for us".

Peter Borren: (Netherlands cricket captain): South Africa were too good for us.

All Blacks (NZ Rugby team) still too good for us – Meyer (SA Rugby captain)

Chelsea (soccer team) are too good for us, admits Roberto Mancini, But Italian denies Mourinho has better record

Swifts were too good for us today but it was amazing to play in front of 10,000+ netball supporters.

Fernando Alonso has given an honest appraisal why Ferrari have failed in their fight with Red Bull, conceding: "They're just too good for us."
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